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California is still predominantly a RED state, except the mass population of the metro areas along the coast control the entire state, just like NYC metro area controls New York. It's sick.
Yes, what you have just said, is what is encompassed by my post. It is all part and parcel of the same thing. I started with what SAC has done in response to the changes I referred, their idiotic policy decisions are not by itself the root cause, obviously. Sometimes they exacerbate an already dismal situation.
Fact remains its all part of the liberal agenda, so you can't really separate "what sacramento does" from what liberals have done...they are the same thing!
I am anything but a liberal as many know, but I do think to blame the school and educational problems on liberals is out of line. Sure, they haven't helped the problems but I do volunteer work with 1st and 2nd graders, obviously in a conservative state. It isn't the fault of the teachers these kids are not learning, it is 90% the fault of the homes they are being raised in. No dads, or 3 dads, dads or moms in jail, no one helping the kids get a start on their education before they enter school and often not even decent food at home. Certainly very little discipline and parents often, who count be counted on to keep their word. I think the school my husband and I do work for has the best, most dedicated teachers in the world. They try to teach the kids responsibility, manners and learning skills, and with a smile on their face.
I can remember going to school in So Calif in the 50s and many of the schools didn't have great reputations then compared to the east coast. The difference might be, for the most part the teachers didn't try to pust political views down our throat, but maybe it was because we were so immature compared to kids today we didn't get it.
California is still predominantly a RED state, except the mass population of the metro areas along the coast control the entire state, just like NYC metro area controls New York. It's sick.
The strip along the coast from Humboldt county down to Los Angeles county should split away from the country, and establish their own evil empire.
I am anything but a liberal as many know, but I do think to blame the school and educational problems on liberals is out of line. Sure, they haven't helped the problems but I do volunteer work with 1st and 2nd graders, obviously in a conservative state. It isn't the fault of the teachers these kids are not learning, it is 90% the fault of the homes they are being raised in. No dads, or 3 dads, dads or moms in jail, no one helping the kids get a start on their education before they enter school and often not even decent food at home. Certainly very little discipline and parents often, who count be counted on to keep their word. I think the school my husband and I do work for has the best, most dedicated teachers in the world. They try to teach the kids responsibility, manners and learning skills, and with a smile on their face.
I can remember going to school in So Calif in the 50s and many of the schools didn't have great reputations then compared to the east coast. The difference might be, for the most part the teachers didn't try to pust political views down our throat, but maybe it was because we were so immature compared to kids today we didn't get it.
Sorry Nmita,
But that is nothing but an anecdote. I respectfully disagree with you. It's about time the people involved with Education in CA stop trying to point fingers and place blame, and look themselves squarely in the mirror and take some responsibility for their own actions. No, sorry. This is not the fault of the parents (and the situation you reference is nowhere near widespread...it is an exception, simple as that). Our ranking as a state has plummeted. There is no denying that CA is ranked in the bottom 5 in states across the nation (and that's not "great"). And that falls squarely on the shoulders of the corrupt teachers union. It is their bureaucratic BS that has destroyed Education in this state. There is no need for all these administration jobs that command salaries from $150k-$300k+. Taxpayers pay too much for Education as it is and the results are **** poor. Jerry Brown sat there and lied through his teeth about the last tax increase ("do it for the children"...HA..that's a laugh). The citizens did it for the $485 billion shortfall in the teachers pension (yeah...that's were that tax money went...not to the children). Ironically, if the corrupt people running the pension fund could have simply left the money in a simple Vanguard type of account with a low cost that simply replicated the S&P 500, they wouldn't have been in a deficit (you're not supposed to be gambling with funds of that type). Instead they thought they were smarted than the market (similar to the brainiacs running the Harvard fund and they got their butts handed to them).
Nmita, name me a job in the private (for profit) industry that you know of that could fail so badly and sit there and demand that customers pay more. It's total crap! Not to mention, that you couldn't fire a teacher if your life depended on it. And typically, these inept teachers that get suspended get paid while "the investigation" takes place, only to just transfer them to another district. I'm all for paying the good teachers more. And for that, you simply need to eliminate what are essentially middle management positions that add nothing to the bottom line (the administration jobs) and redistribute that money to the good teachers (no addition taxpayer money needed). There also needs to be less restrictions to fire those teachers that can't get the job done.
Education is a failure in CA and it's about time some changes were made.
But that is nothing but an anecdote. I respectfully disagree with you. It's about time the people involved with Education in CA stop trying to point fingers and place blame, and look themselves squarely in the mirror and take some responsibility for their own actions. No, sorry. This is not the fault of the parents (and the situation you reference is nowhere near widespread...it is an exception, simple as that). Our ranking as a state has plummeted. There is no denying that CA is ranked in the bottom 5 in states across the nation (and that's not "great"). And that falls squarely on the shoulders of the corrupt teachers union. It is their bureaucratic BS that has destroyed Education in this state. There is no need for all these administration jobs that command salaries from $150k-$300k+. Taxpayers pay too much for Education as it is and the results are **** poor. Jerry Brown sat there and lied through his teeth about the last tax increase ("do it for the children"...HA..that's a laugh). The citizens did it for the $485 billion shortfall in the teachers pension (yeah...that's were that tax money went...not to the children). Ironically, if the corrupt people running the pension fund could have simply left the money in a simple Vanguard type of account with a low cost that simply replicated the S&P 500, they wouldn't have been in a deficit (you're not supposed to be gambling with funds of that type). Instead they thought they were smarted than the market (similar to the brainiacs running the Harvard fund and they got their butts handed to them).
Nmita, name me a job in the private (for profit) industry that you know of that could fail so badly and sit there and demand that customers pay more. It's total crap! Not to mention, that you couldn't fire a teacher if your life depended on it. And typically, these inept teachers that get suspended get paid while "the investigation" takes place, only to just transfer them to another district. I'm all for paying the good teachers more. And for that, you simply need to eliminate what are essentially middle management positions that add nothing to the bottom line (the administration jobs) and redistribute that money to the good teachers (no addition taxpayer money needed). There also needs to be less restrictions to fire those teachers that can't get the job done.
Education is a failure in CA and it's about time some changes were made.
You are blaming Nmita for using anecdotal evidence and you write two paragraphs doing exactly the same thing...wow
But that is nothing but an anecdote. I respectfully disagree with you. It's about time the people involved with Education in CA stop trying to point fingers and place blame, and look themselves squarely in the mirror and take some responsibility for their own actions. No, sorry. This is not the fault of the parents (and the situation you reference is nowhere near widespread...it is an exception, simple as that). Our ranking as a state has plummeted. There is no denying that CA is ranked in the bottom 5 in states across the nation (and that's not "great"). And that falls squarely on the shoulders of the corrupt teachers union. It is their bureaucratic BS that has destroyed Education in this state. There is no need for all these administration jobs that command salaries from $150k-$300k+. Taxpayers pay too much for Education as it is and the results are **** poor. Jerry Brown sat there and lied through his teeth about the last tax increase ("do it for the children"...HA..that's a laugh). The citizens did it for the $485 billion shortfall in the teachers pension (yeah...that's were that tax money went...not to the children). Ironically, if the corrupt people running the pension fund could have simply left the money in a simple Vanguard type of account with a low cost that simply replicated the S&P 500, they wouldn't have been in a deficit (you're not supposed to be gambling with funds of that type). Instead they thought they were smarted than the market (similar to the brainiacs running the Harvard fund and they got their butts handed to them).
Nmita, name me a job in the private (for profit) industry that you know of that could fail so badly and sit there and demand that customers pay more. It's total crap! Not to mention, that you couldn't fire a teacher if your life depended on it. And typically, these inept teachers that get suspended get paid while "the investigation" takes place, only to just transfer them to another district. I'm all for paying the good teachers more. And for that, you simply need to eliminate what are essentially middle management positions that add nothing to the bottom line (the administration jobs) and redistribute that money to the good teachers (no addition taxpayer money needed). There also needs to be less restrictions to fire those teachers that can't get the job done.
Education is a failure in CA and it's about time some changes were made.
I agree the system is corrupt and dysfunctional but the cost of the administrators has nothing to do with what is going on in the classrooms. The truth is we have bad students and bad parents, and they don't perform well because of a constellation of factors...whether its defective parenting/culture/language deficits/poverty/whatever.
The teachers are not less dedicated or educated or passionate. The teachers also don't select the curriculum which is mandated by the state.
The politics that have infested the school system are a detriment to the educational mission, but that is because the system is managed by communists and leftists....very dangerous people to be in control of the CONTENT of what is pushed on impressionable young minds.
I wasn't around during the " good old days" in Ca, but as expensive as it is, and no matter the politics I find it well worth the price of admission.
A lot of people do which is why they are still here. As much as I loved the good old days, we still wouldn't live anywhere else but California despite the ultra liberal government. We have lived in Canada, Mexico, Venezuela ( pre socialist era ), Arizona, Florida, Washington State. We have lived in both Southern and Northern California and love them both.
But that is nothing but an anecdote. I respectfully disagree with you. It's about time the people involved with Education in CA stop trying to point fingers and place blame, and look themselves squarely in the mirror and take some responsibility for their own actions. No, sorry. This is not the fault of the parents (and the situation you reference is nowhere near widespread...it is an exception, simple as that). Our ranking as a state has plummeted. There is no denying that CA is ranked in the bottom 5 in states across the nation (and that's not "great"). And that falls squarely on the shoulders of the corrupt teachers union. It is their bureaucratic BS that has destroyed Education in this state. There is no need for all these administration jobs that command salaries from $150k-$300k+. Taxpayers pay too much for Education as it is and the results are **** poor. Jerry Brown sat there and lied through his teeth about the last tax increase ("do it for the children"...HA..that's a laugh). The citizens did it for the $485 billion shortfall in the teachers pension (yeah...that's were that tax money went...not to the children). Ironically, if the corrupt people running the pension fund could have simply left the money in a simple Vanguard type of account with a low cost that simply replicated the S&P 500, they wouldn't have been in a deficit (you're not supposed to be gambling with funds of that type). Instead they thought they were smarted than the market (similar to the brainiacs running the Harvard fund and they got their butts handed to them).
Nmita, name me a job in the private (for profit) industry that you know of that could fail so badly and sit there and demand that customers pay more. It's total crap! Not to mention, that you couldn't fire a teacher if your life depended on it. And typically, these inept teachers that get suspended get paid while "the investigation" takes place, only to just transfer them to another district. I'm all for paying the good teachers more. And for that, you simply need to eliminate what are essentially middle management positions that add nothing to the bottom line (the administration jobs) and redistribute that money to the good teachers (no addition taxpayer money needed). There also needs to be less restrictions to fire those teachers that can't get the job done.
Education is a failure in CA and it's about time some changes were made.
Public and private industry are not the same and should not be treated the same. As for the educational system, of course there is plenty of blame to go around, but my views are still the same: Kids raised right, with caring families will learn and achieve just fine. With no encouragement from home they will fail most likely. This is not the place of the educators to assume a good education with no support from home. A teacher can do just so much. I do agree with you some administrators are over paid. We have a good example of over paying right here. One of our school districts just increased the pay for starting teachers by $300 a month. And guess what? It was one of the most liberal districts in the area.
'There is no one cause for the falling reputation of a district or state. And, I still maintain the schools, overall in CA were not rated that highly when I was in school or my kids. I don't know about the years after that compared to now. We were lucky, our kids were in very good districts. Districts that still are rated high.
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