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I'm pretty sure the fireworks that people have been shooting off in my neighborhood are neither safe nor sane. As I understand it, the only type you can buy from commercial firework stands do not include the type that go into the air or sound like a sonic boom. That is what I and my neighbors are experiencing. I have absolutely no problem with the type sold by vendors but, unfortunately, my goofy neighbors don't like that type.
Ever been camping in the high mountains when the rangers told you "absolutely no fire permitted?" I have. Sort of takes the fun out of camping. It's just not quite the same, trying to make a smore over a camp stove. May as well stay home and fire up the bbq.
You finally got it. I don't advocate use of unsafe and insane fireworks. Though I applaud that some cities have the sense that allowing non profits to operate actually reduces the black market in which causes the bulk of hearing damage, property damage, and medical emergencies. On the news I read several buildings housing the black market stuff had exploded. I am not saying that legal fireworks stands will eliminate the black market but it does divert quite a bit of traffic from them.
You finally got it. I don't advocate use of unsafe and insane fireworks. Though I applaud that some cities have the sense that allowing non profits to operate actually reduces the black market in which causes the bulk of hearing damage, property damage, and medical emergencies. On the news I read several buildings housing the black market stuff had exploded. I am not saying that legal fireworks stands will eliminate the black market but it does divert quite a bit of traffic from them.
News flash! I never did not get it. From the start, I never said I condoned illegal fireworks. Now I'm wondering who actually reads the posts here.
As far as fireworks go, they could do away with ALL of them, for all I care. When dogs in the neighborhood are going nuts, barking and howling, and then reading the next day how many ended up at the pound because they ran away, it makes me sad and angry. I also think about all the Vets who experienced actual gunfire in the war and how the sounds of the explosions must make them feel.
The trouble is, this country - or any country for that matter - is driven by money. Whether it's made legally or illegally, money is always the underlying factor. And don't even get me started on all the stupid people there are running around on this planet. That's a whole other diatribe.
OP, I think you are the one who doesn't seem to get it. Responsible people don't like personal fireworks of any kind. The sparklers and snakes and things only plus is they cause less serious burns and less frequent blinding.
Everything in life Citizens advocate is not some libertarian cause - some thing just require common sense which libertarians seem to lack. Nanny state my ass, They ban liquor on the beach because people get drunk and attack others. Open fires because of injuries and litter, etc etc.
Unfortunately there are a good number of people who risk other people and their property because of their stupidity. Safe and sane fireworks is an oxymoron when you have real morons:
For the previous two posters. It appears maybe we should just do away with the Fourth of July holiday all together. Based on your postings I bet you guys will be very happy if Fourth of July is gone. That would cure all our issues. No Fourth of July holiday means no fireworks of any kind, taxdollar payed and or commercial display, legal, illegal black market, whatsoever. and no more run away pets. Really what are we celebrating anyways these days? Nowadays I read that true libertarians ask this question. Some even shun away from Fourth of July celebrations all together.
I don't support free for all, just more sensible public policy that takes a look at reality.
Personally I once wanted guns to be as restricted as they are in Asia. I notice that in other countries police are far less afraid of getting shot. It's extremely rare for police to draw guns in those countries. Other countries are more likely to use Tactical Pursuit And Containment (TPAC) in which they box in the fleeing car, as they presume the suspect is unarmed, a much safer tactic than waiting untill they can do a PIT manuever. Though it appears even if they are restricted like that on the books here, which the powerful 2nd amendment gun lobby won't allow, it would not do much to reduce gun violence in the US.
Though after all government and corporates interests and their lobbyists are all about the money. One can safely say the Fourth of July holiday is all about the money too. So is any other holiday on the calendar. Holidays are economic stimulus for the travel
and retail industry. Relatively few people celebrate holidays for its true meaning anyways.
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It's pretty hard to be injured by "Safe and sane" fireworks...they're not really explosive at the scale that tends to endanger onlookers. You'd have to be holding onto it, or be in very close proximity, and that's not how they are supposed to be used. If you follow the directions and use some common sense, you are very unlikely to be injured by a safe and sane firework.
I would estimate that 95% of firework injuries are people that are setting off explosives, usually involving some kind of a mortar or other projectile and the injury is due almost entirely to user error, much of which is due to intoxication.
So really, the best way to think of this category of "firework injuries" is as "alcohol injuries" or "idiot injuries". These are "victims" that were or are going to hurt themselves by engaging in reckless behavior at some point...the fireworks are just the scapegoat of the coincidence.
For the previous two posters. It appears maybe we should just do away with the Fourth of July holiday all together. Based on your postings I bet you guys will be very happy if Fourth of July is gone. That would cure all our issues. No Fourth of July holiday means no fireworks of any kind, taxdollar payed and or commercial display, legal, illegal black market, whatsoever. and no more run away pets. Really what are we celebrating anyways these days? Nowadays I read that true libertarians ask this question. Some even shun away from Fourth of July celebrations all together.
I don't support free for all, just more sensible public policy that takes a look at reality.
Personally I once wanted guns to be as restricted as they are in Asia. I notice that in other countries police are far less afraid of getting shot. It's extremely rare for police to draw guns in those countries. Other countries are more likely to use Tactical Pursuit And Containment (TPAC) in which they box in the fleeing car, as they presume the suspect is unarmed, a much safer tactic than waiting untill they can do a PIT manuever. Though it appears even if they are restricted like that on the books here, which the powerful 2nd amendment gun lobby won't allow, it would not do much to reduce gun violence in the US.
Though after all government and corporates interests and their lobbyists are all about the money. One can safely say the Fourth of July holiday is all about the money too. So is any other holiday on the calendar. Holidays are economic stimulus for the travel
and retail industry. Relatively few people celebrate holidays for its true meaning anyways.
We just got back from the Carolinas for the 4th. They shoot off fireworks constantly so they don't have the sudden firework syndrome like they do here. These ban everything types can pound sand. Millions of people all enjoying fireworks, who'd have thought!!
We have so many existing laws on the books we don't need new ones. If someone is being unsafe with a firework, car, gun, booze there is always a law that exists to bring them down without impacting 99.9% of everyone else.
If someone is being unsafe with a firework, car, gun, booze there is always a law that exists to bring them down without impacting 99.9% of everyone else.
more of the Libertarian make-believe world. One problem is that the "1%" who are irresponsible with the guns, the booze, or fireworks, maim and kill other people. So, in the real world, we as a society are going to try to protect the other 99%. And I understand you don't want our protection - like the motorcyclists who want to ride with no helmet but we are looking out for you.
And if you like the deep south where they shoot off fireworks and guns all the time why in heavens name do you live in California and constantly complain? Aren't you unhappy?
You know another funny thing about the Libertarian mind, they say "we have enough laws against this already" guns, cars etc. But the truth is they are opposed to all of them! Enough anti-gun laws? Tell me which ones you favor and I'll start taking you seriously. Many Libertarians oppose even the great Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Ron Paul for one) because of their ideology. Forget that the haters were bombing chuches killing little children back then and no southern jury would convict!
And to you in particular oneangytaxpayer, why do you call yourself angry? You know anger is a very unhealthy emotion in my opinion - it usually is a lashing out at someone or something when our real problem is with ourself. You know, the courage to change the things you can?
But I am really asking rhetorically because I know that in the conservative world anger is considered a good thing. You know the stereotype, the angry old white guy. We all know him
Dave
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How many would choose a city to live in based on whether they allow consumer fireworks to be sold or used with city limits?
Fireworks of all kinds are illegal almost everywhere in the Bay Area, but a few cities — San Bruno, Pacifica, Newark, Union City, Dublin, Sebastopol, Rohnert Park, Petaluma and Cloverdale, allow them.
I would much rather live in the cities not named, i.e. the cities that forbid private fireworks of any kind.
more of the Libertarian make-believe world. One problem is that the "1%" who are irresponsible with the guns, the booze, or fireworks, maim and kill other people. So, in the real world, we as a society are going to try to protect the other 99%. And I understand you don't want our protection - like the motorcyclists who want to ride with no helmet but we are looking out for you.
And if you like the deep south where they shoot off fireworks and guns all the time why in heavens name do you live in California and constantly complain? Aren't you unhappy?
You know another funny thing about the Libertarian mind, they say "we have enough laws against this already" guns, cars etc. But the truth is they are opposed to all of them! Enough anti-gun laws? Tell me which ones you favor and I'll start taking you seriously. Many Libertarians oppose even the great Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Ron Paul for one) because of their ideology. Forget that the haters were bombing chuches killing little children back then and no southern jury would convict!
And to you in particular oneangytaxpayer, why do you call yourself angry? You know anger is a very unhealthy emotion in my opinion - it usually is a lashing out at someone or something when our real problem is with ourself. You know, the courage to change the things you can?
But I am really asking rhetorically because I know that in the conservative world anger is considered a good thing. You know the stereotype, the angry old white guy. We all know him
Dave
I'll live where I please thank you very much. I kind of feel it's my duty to stay and fight the socialist geldings that want their boring utopia brought upon by banning everything and completely running people's lives. Reality is most people in the US get along just fine without a nanny state that tells them what they can drive, shoot, read, breathe, and do on the 4th of July. They are also quite capable of protecting themselves without the police and aren't afraid of inanimate objects so prevalent in this State.
I'd think Hawaii would be more up your alley. For the record political parties being banned is about the only ban I find appealing.
So, those of us that have tasted freedom, we'll just stick around fighting the good fight and annoying the bed wetting, snow flakes Murica!!!
IMO all fireworks should be banned from public use including safe and sane. In my area, the streets are littered with firework trash and debris. There are marks and stains everywhere.
That doesn't include all the ambulances and firetrucks responding to fires and idiots blowing off thier limbs.
To the people who say we should just do away with the 4th all together, do we really need to explode things to celebrate a holiday?
Do most people even celebrate independence from the British? OR just run around exploding stuff like morons and make trash everywhere.
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That's a whole other diatribe.
Murica!!!
