Local governments banning state legal consumer fireworks, a solution in search of a problem? (Oakland: houses, buy)

[citizensadvocate]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

I'll live where I please thank you very much. I kind of feel it's my duty to stay and fight the socialist geldings that want their boring utopia brought upon by banning everything and completely running people's lives. Reality is most people in the US get along just fine without a nanny state that tells them what they can drive, shoot, read, breathe, and do on the 4th of July. They are also quite capable of protecting themselves without the police and aren't afraid of inanimate objects so prevalent in this State.

I'd think Hawaii would be more up your alley. For the record political parties being banned is about the only ban I find appealing.

So, those of us that have tasted freedom, we'll just stick around fighting the good fight and annoying the bed wetting, snow flakes Murica!!!

It seems so many folks from City data would be glad if Fourth of July is gone forever. They flame anyone who disagree with any legislation as a "libertarian." It appears they dislike any thing that may resemble "libertarian." And they still live in their bury their head in the sand bubble believing they could legislate their way to a "utopian" society. I notice Plenty of freedom lovers practice Civil disobedience on the Fourth to those council man who think the same way. Council people really think they are Supreme rulers these days and above the constitution and running their cities as they are sovereign countries.

I also notice that city data has comments from moderators off the forum that also think the same way.

Btw I read the Hawaii up to very recent years have very loose restrictions and allowed fireworks stands as long as they meet federal and state safety standard. Until do gooders came into office and believe they should take those away.

Those who think that banning all fireworks is the solution should go and spend the Fourth in the hoods of LA, San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose. Than come back to the forum.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by behindthescreen

IMO all fireworks should be banned from public use including safe and sane. In my area, the streets are littered with firework trash and debris. There are marks and stains everywhere.

That doesn't include all the ambulances and firetrucks responding to fires and idiots blowing off thier limbs.

To the people who say we should just do away with the 4th all together, do we really need to explode things to celebrate a holiday?

Do most people even celebrate independence from the British? OR just run around exploding stuff like morons and make trash everywhere.

How can you ban something that is already banned?

[citizensadvocate]

That's true. All those types of fireworks that many commenters are complaining about that explodes and shoot up in the air, set off car alarms, start fires, blows limbs off, leave shrapnel behind, etc are already forbidden under federal and state laws. Though i guess they will be happy if public displays are banned too. As those scare away many pets and cause large crowds, crippling traffic jams, street closures that block residents from going to and from
their own residences, and leave behindlarge amounts of litter both from bits and pieces of exploded fireworks and from garbage generated by the crowds. Though that doesn't stop the black market which sometimes operate very openly. If you go to the cities I listed above they sell them on the streets.

I guess their logic is that if we ban all immigration including legal Immigration we could resolve the issues caused by illegal immigration? And that illegal immigrants would disappear because of the ban?

[behindthescreen]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

How can you ban something that is already banned?

They are not banned, there are firework stands everywhere around here.

[behindthescreen]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

That's true. All those types of fireworks that many commenters are complaining about that explodes and shoot up in the air, set off car alarms, start fires, blows limbs off, leave shrapnel behind, etc are already forbidden under federal and state laws. Though i guess they will be happy if public displays are banned too. As those scare away many pets and cause large crowds, crippling traffic jams, street closures that block residents from going to and from
their own residences, and leave behindlarge amounts of litter both from bits and pieces of exploded fireworks and from garbage generated by the crowds. Though that doesn't stop the black market which sometimes operate very openly. If you go to the cities I listed above they sell them on the streets.

I guess their logic is that if we ban all immigration including legal Immigration we could resolve the issues caused by illegal immigration? And that illegal immigrants would disappear because of the ban?

Yes, I'm a stupid uneducated trump voter, you have me pegged.

You are just so much smarter with your liberal ideology and college degree. I give up!

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by behindthescreen

They are not banned, there are firework stands everywhere around here.

Hollywood California? We are talking bottle rockets and M-80s.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...es-county.html

[SFBayBoomer]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

That's true. All those types of fireworks that many commenters are complaining about that explodes and shoot up in the air, set off car alarms, start fires, blows limbs off, leave shrapnel behind, etc are already forbidden under federal and state laws. Though i guess they will be happy if public displays are banned too. As those scare away many pets and cause large crowds, crippling traffic jams, street closures that block residents from going to and from
their own residences, and leave behindlarge amounts of litter both from bits and pieces of exploded fireworks and from garbage generated by the crowds. Though that doesn't stop the black market which sometimes operate very openly. If you go to the cities I listed above they sell them on the streets.

I guess their logic is that if we ban all immigration including legal Immigration we could resolve the issues caused by illegal immigration? And that illegal immigrants would disappear because of the ban?

How do you make the jump from illegal fireworks to illegal immigration in a thread about governments banning fireworks?

Please stick to the topic.

[citizensadvocate]

The matter is with logics. Banning a legal activity does not help to contain already illegal activities.

The black market fireworks stands trades do not get affected at all when a city decides to shut down state legal non profit fireworks stands. I am surprised that many in city data want all fireworks banned just because inconsiderate neighbors set off bottled rockets and m80s which would still be unaffected.

Though I know the left would want to ban Fourth of July but would want to pardon if not all immigration whether legal or illegal. Though I am not denying that the current system is broken and needs to be fixed.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

The matter is with logics. Banning a legal activity does not help to contain already illegal activities.

The black market fireworks stands trades do not get affected at all when a city decides to shut down state legal non profit fireworks stands. I am surprised that many in city data want all fireworks banned just because inconsiderate neighbors set off bottled rockets and m80s which would still be unaffected.

Though I know the left would want to ban Fourth of July but would want to pardon if not all immigration whether legal or illegal. Though I am not denying that the current system is broken and needs to be fixed.

If a City bans all fireworks including "safe and sane" fireworks and someone is shooting off fireworks and neighbors call the Police, they can respond because ALL fireworks are against the law, not just certain ones.

If you live in a City or County that allows 'safe and sane' fireworks cops can't do a thing because they can't force their way onto your property to determine if the fireworks are legal or not.. From July 3-6 we had people shooting off bottle rockets M-80s and firing guns all night long. The Sheriff's dept refused to respond, they agreed that the fireworks were probably illegal but since there is no decibel level that they can rely on to determine whether fireworks are illegal and they had no authority to force the residents to allow them in their home or backyard to investigate there is nothing they could do.

And as far as I can tell immigration is not the topic of this thread, so if you want to talk about that please start a new thread.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

I think the "safe and sane" has about as many definitions as "common sense".