Coronavirus (Nice: airplane, nannies, salons)

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by evening sun

The problem with vaccine cards or barcodes on phones, is that they will be easy to duplicate & a black market will emerge in forgery.

I plan on getting a vaccine whenever it is available for my age group

Physical cards, yeah. Are you sure about digital barcodes being easy to forge?

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Mike930

However, they shouldn’t be blocked from entry. That makes no sense if everyone else is vaccinated. You want to have them wear masks, fine. But not blocked completely.

I agree if everyone was vaccinated. However, with 40-50% of the population saying they won't get a vaccine, we won't get to herd immunity of these numbers aren't reached. So yes, I support blocking access to people if they refuse a vaccine. People can decide that they want to make dumb choices for whatever reason, but this shouldn't come at the risk of the rest of our health.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Finper

If Ca is closed down till then there won’t be anything to open up.

CA never has nor never will be fully shutdown, like you see in Europe. Restaurants are able to do delivery and takeout and stores are all open, with mask wearing. You do have some businesses like hair/nail salons closed but they'll be able to reopen if our case rate drops.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

I agree if everyone was vaccinated. However, with 40-50% of the population saying they won't get a vaccine, we won't get to herd immunity of these numbers aren't reached. So yes, I support blocking access to people if they refuse a vaccine. People can decide that they want to make dumb choices for whatever reason, but this shouldn't come at the risk of the rest of our health.

While I understand that no vaccine is not 100% effective, what difference does it make if you take it but the guy near you doesn’t? I would think that’s on them taking the risk, not you.

Private business is one thing and I can see them putting up restrictions if you can’t show proof of vaccination. I don’t think places like pharmacies or grocery stores would block access, but places like airlines or concert venues, maybe. It may be more like no vaccine, you have to wear a mask. But then once they’re in, they could take off the mask and no one would know.

Maybe the people who refuse the vaccine can wear something like a big sticker in the form of a COVID molecule like the nazis did to Jewish people in WWII. I’m sure California could get behind that one.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

I agree if everyone was vaccinated. However, with 40-50% of the population saying they won't get a vaccine, we won't get to herd immunity of these numbers aren't reached. So yes, I support blocking access to people if they refuse a vaccine. People can decide that they want to make dumb choices for whatever reason, but this shouldn't come at the risk of the rest of our health.

"Paranoia will destroy ya."

[Finper]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

CA never has nor never will be fully shutdown, like you see in Europe. Restaurants are able to do delivery and takeout and stores are all open, with mask wearing. You do have some businesses like hair/nail salons closed but they'll be able to reopen if our case rate drops.

Restaurants cannot survive on just take out. My old business was a vendor to restaurants and they’re barely still open. What about the hotels there? It doesn’t matter that Ca isn’t fully shut down .....what is shut down is dying and might not ever reopen

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

I agree if everyone was vaccinated. However, with 40-50% of the population saying they won't get a vaccine, we won't get to herd immunity of these numbers aren't reached. So yes, I support blocking access to people if they refuse a vaccine. People can decide that they want to make dumb choices for whatever reason, but this shouldn't come at the risk of the rest of our health.

Many are waiting until full information is available on this vaccine. there is no real information yet, just speculation and info about past vaccines. In testing they saw some minor effects, but the group did not represent everyone who will get it or should get it. In 6 months we will have a far better idea, if the news about it gets reported. hopefully no significant effects, but not enough info yet.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Mike930

While I understand that no vaccine is not 100% effective, what difference does it make if you take it but the guy near you doesn’t? I would think that’s on them taking the risk, not you.

Private business is one thing and I can see them putting up restrictions if you can’t show proof of vaccination. I don’t think places like pharmacies or grocery stores would block access, but places like airlines or concert venues, maybe. It may be more like no vaccine, you have to wear a mask. But then once they’re in, they could take off the mask and no one would know.

Maybe the people who refuse the vaccine can wear something like a big sticker in the form of a COVID molecule like the nazis did to Jewish people in WWII. I’m sure California could get behind that one.

Part of the protection of other diseases through immunization has been herd immunity. Its for the very reason that these aren't 100% effective. Measles is a good example of this. So yes, I agree that by me taking the vaccine (which I will do when it is available to me) reduces the risk dramatically, the remainder comes from herd immunity.

Nice of you to equate a horrible event such as the holocaust with those who are trying to protect lives through vaccines/mask wearing/social distancing, etc. It should be those who have no disregard for others by acting recklessly, not those who are trying to get and keep this disease under under control. As someone of Jewish decent, who's family was impacted by the holocaust, I find your analogy disgusting.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Finper

Restaurants cannot survive on just take out. My old business was a vendor to restaurants and they’re barely still open. What about the hotels there? It doesn’t matter that Ca isn’t fully shut down .....what is shut down is dying and might not ever reopen

That's why we need a better stimulus bill to protect workers and businesses, but Republicans turned down additional aid. Its not safe to reopen now with the amount of spread. If you're so worried about these businesses, talk to your congressman about providing additional stimulus aid and enacting additional controls to get COVID under control. If we all just stayed home for a few weeks, we could starve COVID. But, you said it yourself that you hate this government regulation and do your own thing, like going out with friends. Pretty hypocritical of you to be part of the spreading problem and then blame government for trying to get it under control. Look at your own behavior and why these restrictions are needed in the first place vs blaming those trying to improve the situation. Good grief!

[JGC97]

It isn't any wonder why this is still spreading. Most people are wearing the wrong mask. If you aren't wearing an N95 or one approved by the CDC, you may as well go without. Those flimsy cotton things they sell labeled "fashion mask" or even a homemade one don't do squat. smh