California Drought (Merced, Oroville, Shasta Lake: apartment, motorhomes, luxury)

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by 509

I take it you do not have a background in the sciences.

It is interesting the climate scientists have FINALLY compared the last 22 years to the historical drought that lasted 150 years in California.

It is finally an acknowledgement by the current crop of climate scientists about natural climate change and that it MIGHT be more important than man-caused climate change!!!

The response to natural climate change is NOT Industrial Wind and Solar areas that line the pockets of political contributors to the Democratic party. Somebody needs to alert the politicians to this possibility before it is too late.

Not sure if California and the west is headed for a 150 year drought, but the historical record is that the last one hundred years in California and west have been MORE STABLE and MUCH WETTER than the historical record.

I know you view tree rings, pollen counts, and shifting through garbage dumps "soft science", but it is a interesting record when put all together.

Read this "soft science" book.

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520...-without-water

Yes, it is science book with footnotes and references, etc. etc. Written by "horrors" a person with a science background and not journalism.

But slog through it. Worth reading.

It should be a wake up call for California, that natural climate change could totally and radically change not only the ecological make-up of California, but also the human population. Just like it did over 1000 years ago.

Humm, here is hat the initial commentary about the book says:
The West without Water merges climate and paleoclimate research from a wide variety of sources as it introduces readers to key discoveries in cracking the secrets of the region’s climatic past. It demonstrates that extended droughts and catastrophic floods have plagued the West with regularity over the past two millennia and recounts the most disastrous flood in the history of California and the West, which occurred in 1861–62. The authors show that, while the West may have temporarily buffered itself from such harsh climatic swings by creating artificial environments and human landscapes, our modern civilization may be ill-prepared for the future climate changes that are predicted to beset the region. They warn that it is time to face the realities of the past and prepare for a future in which fresh water may be less reliable.

[Tulemutt]

And, once again, as always … the real problem is population … not climate swings … manmade or natural. Too many people.

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

And, once again, as always … the real problem is population … not climate swings … manmade or natural. Too many people.

Unfortunately the population will keep going up over time.

I loved it when I lived in OC as a kid.

Mind you I have been looking at home prices there where I would like to live in the County, as I would love to move back.

I can afford it, but .... there are other issues that I am evaluating.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Racer46

Unfortunately the population will keep going up over time.
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Nah … at some point cancerous growth kills itself by killing its host.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Racer46

Humm, here is hat the initial commentary about the book says:
The West without Water merges climate and paleoclimate research from a wide variety of sources as it introduces readers to key discoveries in cracking the secrets of the region’s climatic past. It demonstrates that extended droughts and catastrophic floods have plagued the West with regularity over the past two millennia and recounts the most disastrous flood in the history of California and the West, which occurred in 1861–62. The authors show that, while the West may have temporarily buffered itself from such harsh climatic swings by creating artificial environments and human landscapes, our modern civilization may be ill-prepared for the future climate changes that are predicted to beset the region. They warn that it is time to face the realities of the past and prepare for a future in which fresh water may be less reliable.

How ironic, that the region with an unreliable water supply is where the most people live. The water supply will be especially unreliable, if it has too many people to be rationed out among.

People are moving in droves Colorado, too, even as the Colorado River is drying up. And then there are Phoenix and Tucson.... where the state government has convinced residents that it has the water situation under control, and they needn't worry.

The Southwest, not to mention Oregon, should be getting pretty interesting in 10-15 years.

Are you planning to stick around for that, 'Mutt?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

How ironic, that the region with an unreliable water supply is where the most people live. The water supply will be especially unreliable, if it has too many people to be rationed out among.

Well, there ya go … the bottom line … again: too many people.

But the poor developers!

[509]

The "poor developers" will do just fine.

The farmers will sell their water rights to the developers.

Not sure that is good national policy....BUT......"we have the best government money can buy".

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 509

The "poor developers" will do just fine.

The farmers will sell their water rights to the developers.

Not sure that is good national policy....BUT......"we have the best government money can buy".

My “poor developers” remark was [extreme] sarcasm

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

My “poor developers” remark was [extreme] sarcasm

What these decisions are based on in some instances, is the need for jobs for relatively unskilled labor. It's about the "poor construction workers". They need work! Even if there's no water (parts of the Southwest), construction workers need jobs.

[CA4Now]

"Mandates are what helped get California through the punishing 2012-16 drought. It was at a dismal snow survey in April 2015 that then-Gov. Jerry Brown ordered California’s first statewide mandatory water restrictions. His directive to cut urban water use by 25% put in motion a series of emergency regulations that, while at times controversial, were largely effective."

But the state rules were lifted after winter storms in 2017, and here we are again.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...r-conservation