California banning big screen TV (insurance, utilities, live in)

[bigcats]

Yikes, I'd consider a 32 inch TV pretty behemouth. Mine's smaller and I see it just fine from across the room

I'd consider a 900 square foot house a reasonable size if you had enough people to fill it up. It's larger than mine by several hundred feet.

What is with all of this quality-of-life = how-big-your-stuff-is, and then from that, don't-you-dare-tell-me-how-big-my-stuff-can-be? If that is truly how the average American measures his or her quality of life, then no wonder we're a country of so much dissatisfaction. No one knows how to measure or attain real quality of life!

[Wayneb]

Originally Posted by Clarks

This is the sort of thinking so clearly illustrated in the book: The Tragedy of the Commons" Best read it.

I don't need you lecturing me, nor do i need to read your stupid book.

For your information, I have about 40 CFL and a handful of LED lights in my house, I am also working on adding a Solar water heater.
I also have all new high efficiency appliances and my house needs very little energy to heat and cool because it has very good insulation.

I will decide when and where I save energy, it is none of your business what size or type TV I use, I buy a TV for picture quality first.

[Clarks]

I am not surprised that you called it a stupid book without having read it. The rest of us know what this says about you.

I will decide when and where I save energy, it is none of your business what size or type TV I use

Sure it is, it is mine as part of society,

Since you chose to be uneducated, let me illucidate.

A commons is ground held in common, used in common. like our resources, including energy.
If the commons can graze 100 cows, and there are 10 villagers, each can graze 10 cows. If there are 100 villagers each can graze 1 cow. Exceeding this limit means that all the grass gets eaten and all the cows, and villagers starve.

If there is no regulation by government, or self regulation by individuals, the tendency is to increase your share beyond that which is rightfully yours, as you state you will do.

The end result of behavior unregulated by government or self, is catastrophe.

This is why the government under Presidents Cleveland and Harrison began setting aside Forest Reserves. Today's National Forests.

By your thinking, the National Forests should be abandoned and the land turned over to users, to use at will. Is this what you want?

You see, your simplistic thinking provides for your needs but at a cost not only to society, but to your self also.

Pays to be literate.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by bigcats

Yikes, I'd consider a 32 inch TV pretty behemouth. Mine's smaller and I see it just fine from across the room

I'd consider a 900 square foot house a reasonable size if you had enough people to fill it up. It's larger than mine by several hundred feet.

What is with all of this quality-of-life = how-big-your-stuff-is, and then from that, don't-you-dare-tell-me-how-big-my-stuff-can-be? If that is truly how the average American measures his or her quality of life, then no wonder we're a country of so much dissatisfaction. No one knows how to measure or attain real quality of life!

If you live in a closet, you'll think a 32" TV is huge.

[vdy1985]

This nanny state crap has to end.

By the way, the thing about western Europe is true. It is very socialist compared to us. I know a German guy who finished medical school there and is now here doing research hoping to do residency here. He said the best thing about America is that you can be whatever you want to be as long as you work hard for it. In Germany, he says that it is still about who you know, or what family you were born in... connections, not good old fashion hard work.

Really now, more people still want to come to the USA rather than the EU due to the ability to make something of yourself.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by Bigfoot Tracks

What the heck is going on in Ca?
They are doing just about everything to make people not want to live there.
California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs -- latimes.com

They are NOT banning Big Screen TVs, They are banning certain models that use excessive electricity.

I wish I had known what those models were before I bought the two in my house. The electric meter is no longer my friend

[Clarks]

This nanny state crap has to end.

They said that when the US government helped to build the canals, what, about 1820, they said that when the government helped build the Transcontinental Railroad, 1865 ish.

If you don't want a nanny state, move to Mexico, lots of personal freedom down there compared to here.

Really now, more people still want to come to the USA rather than the EU due to the ability to make something of yourself.

In 2006 3.5 million immigrants settled in EU, that is a typical year.
The US averages about 1 million legal immigrants a year.

It would appear that the EU is 3.5 times as popular as the US. Danged Socialists again.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by Clarks

In 2006 3.5 million immigrants settled in EU, that is a typical year.
The US averages about 1 million legal immigrants a year.

It would appear that the EU is 3.5 times as popular as the US. Danged Socialists again.

And how many illegals do we get? And how many more would come if they could?

[vdy1985]

Originally Posted by Clarks

It would appear that the EU is 3.5 times as popular as the US. Danged Socialists again.

Funny, I don't see as many Americans immigrating to Europe as I see the other way around.

[Clarks]

The leading nations with immigrants moving to the US; India, Mexico, Philipines, hardly a swarm of Euros eh?

The top twelve migrant-sending countries in 2006, by country of birth, were Mexico (173,753), People's Republic of China (87,345), Philippines (74,607), India (61,369), Cuba (45,614), Colombia (43,151), Dominican Republic (38,069), El Salvador (31,783), Vietnam (30,695), Jamaica (24,976), South Korea (24,386), Guatemala (24,146),

Again, where are those swarms of Euros seeking relief from Socialism?

Funny, I don't see as many Americans immigrating to Europe as I see the other way around.

A wonderful quote, based on no research at all, just the posters wish.

Fun facts, there are 1.2 million Americans living in Europe.
Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies.
In terms of wealth distribution -- a crucial measure of a country's ability to deliver on the promise of prosperity -- the United States ranks 24th in the world; all 18 of the most developed European countries rank higher, with less income inequality than we have.
There are now more poor people living in America than in the 16 European nations for which data is available.
America's homicide rate is four times that of Europe.
Europeans get an average of five weeks' paid vacation a year, where Americans get two.
America consumes nearly one-third more energy than the 15 most developed EU countries, even though they have a combined population that's nearly 100 million more than the United States'

These people that think Socialism is an evil, need to wake up and get an education.