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Yeah well; you should then understand how we feel when highly placed people speaking on behalf of your government and supposedly you, say things like "the 9/11 terrorists entered through Canada" with one of them even saying they came from Canada. Even though that was very quickly refuted by the facts that ALL of them were in the U.S. on visitor visas and had entered through various ports of entry OTHER than Canada; we still never got an apology.
How about Napolitano making the stupid azzhat claim that the border with Canada was the higher risk border and needed securing? This coming after her tenure as a governor of Arizona and IGNORING her border with Mexico and it's invasion by 12 million illegals for years.
How about any number of your legislators and news pundits referring to us as the "socialist nanny state" when you get into your idiotic debates over a for-profit or more reasoned healthcare format even after Sarah Palin's admission her family had slipped across the border for years availing themselves of our "inferior" service?
How about the ever popular canard that we have enjoyed a free ride and would have been invaded decades ago had we not been protected by your military might. This comes with history of our losses on various peacekeeping missions from the Suez to Afghanistan, taking part in various NATO exercises and other types of UN missions where our country does more than merely carry it's assigned weight.
Your country has no reluctance in denigrating Canada and Canadians when it suits the motives of political aspirations of your various leader whannabes with not a thought given to a few million of your "brothers" listening in. When have our "brothers" to the south ever risked their very lives to shelter Canadians held hostage by a bunch of raging lunatics all foaming at the mouth with religious zealotry? When have Americans done anything like welcome a bunch of Canadian airliners running out of fuel all needing a place to land but deemed a threat so denied entry to domestic airspace?
Would you understand our chagrin at those and other all too frequent examples emanating from our supposed "{brothers}" below us? Remember now; we are inundated with your daily TV up here, all living within 100 miles of the border as you surmise we do.
This is one Canadian you'll get no apology from for being more than slightly unimpressed by your reasoning of our all living next to your border. You making the case of ignorance about Canada is neither an excuse nor a valid reason in this day of Gore's internet and should carry the embarrassment it deserves.
You cannot equate getting back on an individual; basis what is dished out very publicly over your airwaves without seemingly giving it a thought when your public speakers presume to diss Canada without any of you taking them to task for that.
This post is an example of the kind of hatred I was talking about. No one on either side of the border should forget our common culture and history. You seem offended that I called Canadians our "brothers to the north", well since both Canada and the United states sprang from British colonies made up of British people I think that is appropriate. We have the same language, such a similar culture that we are mistaken for each other when overseas, and in many places people on both sides of the border are so similar its hard to tell what country your in. I don't get the need by people to carry the kind of anger you do, is it because you don't like the similarities that exist and want to distance yourself from us? I guess only you know. Now you cite all these offenses, yes we went overboard after 9-11 but we NEVER blamed Canada. Remember we watched 3000 of our people get massacred on national TV. We were thankful that you allowed those jets to land there, and we were thankful that you participated in our efforts in Afghanistan. Also you have no reason to get offended by our refrences to your socialism, after all you have been more socialist than us and that is fine. That makes your country a point of reference for how that system has worked for you when we debate policy we are considering here in the US. No reason to be offended. Don't tell me that you don't have politicians that spout off stupid nonsense, because all politicians do that. Don't tell me you have no ignorant people either, because I know you do. I don't have the anger toward Canada that you have to the US, in fact I like Canada and enjoy visiting there. I also am a staunch conservative here in the US, and even given that fact I respect the difference in governance between our two countries, even though I would never want parts of your system here. Don't take our debates down here as disrespect toward Canada, this post I am responding too misrepresents us big time. This poster has it all wrong about us, maybe he should spend some time down here and see the real US. He will not find people insulting Canada or running it down, there is a very positive image of Canada in the US.
This post is an example of the kind of hatred I was talking about. No one on either side of the border should forget our common culture and history. You seem offended that I called Canadians our "brothers to the north", well since both Canada and the United states sprang from British colonies made up of British people I think that is appropriate. We have the same language, such a similar culture that we are mistaken for each other when overseas, and in many places people on both sides of the border are so similar its hard to tell what country your in. I don't get the need by people to carry the kind of anger you do, is it because you don't like the similarities that exist and want to distance yourself from us? I guess only you know. Now you cite all these offenses, yes we went overboard after 9-11 but we NEVER blamed Canada. Remember we watched 3000 of our people get massacred on national TV. We were thankful that you allowed those jets to land there, and we were thankful that you participated in our efforts in Afghanistan. Also you have no reason to get offended by our refrences to your socialism, after all you have been more socialist than us and that is fine. That makes your country a point of reference for how that system has worked for you when we debate policy we are considering here in the US. No reason to be offended. Don't tell me that you don't have politicians that spout off stupid nonsense, because all politicians do that. Don't tell me you have no ignorant people either, because I know you do. I don't have the anger toward Canada that you have to the US, in fact I like Canada and enjoy visiting there. I also am a staunch conservative here in the US, and even given that fact I respect the difference in governance between our two countries, even though I would never want parts of your system here. Don't take our debates down here as disrespect toward Canada, this post I am responding too misrepresents us big time. This poster has it all wrong about us, maybe he should spend some time down here and see the real US. He will not find people insulting Canada or running it down, there is a very positive image of Canada in the US.
And your post is the perfect example of the arrogance of describing "hatred expressed towards Americans by our brother" while excusing any and all examples of the reverse with inane offerings such as ignorance on the part of Americans because you don't either desire to learn about your "brothers" to the north or not living close enough to the northern border to have some sort of exposure.
Your efforts in Afghanistan ~ Does the term NATO have any significance to you at all?
I believe I pointed out that were you to use the term brother in it's correct definitive context, your citizens would at least make an effort to learn something about a filial member of the family without taking as gospel and parroting everything coming out of an idiot politicians mouth, eh?
I sure do take as offensive your reference to socialism, as in nearly every case it is used as pejorative in nature. C'mon now; you aren't seriously suggesting the term socialist is used in any other context than derisive in nature? The turnip truck went through here over a hundred years ago, not yesterday.
You folks are arguably more socialistic than we are with over 50% of your citizens receiving food supplement benefits on top of welfare and cel phones for some, medicare, medicaid, the VA, disability pensions for the obese, are just a few examples of your socialism with more coming on line daily.
I live for six months of the year in your country and have done since 2001 in various states from California, Arizona, Texas to Florida with now owning property in Florida and know it very well thank you.
I am often asked by my "brothers" in an opening gambit in the Golf clubhouse or during a happy hour to wit, "how Canada went from a frontier to a Socialist state in less than a hundred years?" That is a very is a popular one. I have have fielded questions posed such as "why don't you have freedom of speech in Canada" . "How can you tolerate your people dying while waiting for medical treatment" and the ever popular "why do you allow your government to take away your guns?".
We're NOT debating the relative membership quotas for the ignorant club here; we are instead debating your surmisal that hatred only flows one way and we are doing that based upon your premise that if anyone says anything derogatory about the U.S. they are expressing hatred as you so blithely mention no less than 4 times in your two posts.
I find it rather disingenuous of you when those comments postulated by Americans towards Canada or Canadians as mentioned here come our way they should be excused as simple ignorance rather than the hatred you ascribe to me.
Your emotive histrionics ascribing hatred to comments such as mine will not fly in either camp especially when you attempt to excuse any negative comments aimed at Canada by our brethren with an embarrassing "it's just simple ignorance rather than hatred" tale.
You cannot have it both ways when criticism from the north is "hatred" while criticism from the south is just "they don't know any better" nonsense.
If only Canadians knew what its like to have people from all over the world talking mad shi-t about your country and maybe you'd understand why we'd make threads like this.
If only Canadians knew what its like to have people from all over the world talking mad shi-t about your country and maybe you'd understand why we'd make threads like this.
I can understand that. And it sucks.
We get small samplings when American posters start threads like "Should we enslave Canadians?" Going on about how it would be good for the economy, and how it would be fun to whip Canucks around.
Did you miss that one? In the General US forum? It's been removed now, but it was started by the one who started the inferiority thread not long ago, that was also removed.
Also you have no reason to get offended by our refrences to your socialism, after all you have been more socialist than us and that is fine.
Now, y'see, here's a heaping helping of ignorance.
Canada is not socialist. Well, no more than the USA. Socialism is the nationalism of industries, and the provision of goods and services. The Soviet Union was socialist--the government produced steel, built cars, provided consumer goods, and did a whole whack of other things that western governments, including Canada, do not concern themselves with. A Soviet citizen may have worked in a tractor factory or on a farm, but that factory and that farm were owned by the government. That's socialism.
Oh sure, there are some things that the Canadian and provincial governments provide: roads, schools, police and fire departments, and so on. Not any different than what the federal and state governments provide in the US. The only difference is that our provincial governments provide health insurance--and insurance is all it is. Physicians are self-employed (not governmentally-employed) professionals who accept provincially-insured patients. That is not socialism.
I would suggest that we have every reason to get offended by "your references to our socialism." Such references are incorrect, untrue, and just plain wrong. Americans' refusal to understand just what "socialism" is, and their perpetuation of the myth that "Canada is socialist" is insulting; and as such, we can be offended.
Now, y'see, here's a heaping helping of ignorance.
Canada is not socialist. Well, no more than the USA. Socialism is the nationalism of industries, and the provision of goods and services. The Soviet Union was socialist--the government produced steel, built cars, provided consumer goods, and did a whole whack of other things that western governments, including Canada, do not concern themselves with. A Soviet citizen may have worked in a tractor factory or on a farm, but that factory and that farm were owned by the government. That's socialism.
Oh sure, there are some things that the Canadian and provincial governments provide: roads, schools, police and fire departments, and so on. Not any different than what the federal and state governments provide in the US. The only difference is that our provincial governments provide health insurance--and insurance is all it is. Physicians are self-employed (not governmentally-employed) professionals who accept provincially-insured patients. That is not socialism.
I would suggest that we have every reason to get offended by "your references to our socialism." Such references are incorrect, untrue, and just plain wrong. Americans' refusal to understand just what "socialism" is, and their perpetuation of the myth that "Canada is socialist" is insulting; and as such, we can be offended.
I must have repped you not that long ago so I just want to say I agree except I don't find Canada being called socialist by Americans insulting - it's just DUMB. Seriously, has anyone ever come across any other nationality that thinks we're socialist? So the US is the outlier in that regard.
We get small samplings when American posters start threads like "Should we enslave Canadians?" Going on about how it would be good for the economy, and how it would be fun to whip Canucks around.
Did you miss that one? In the General US forum? It's been removed now, but it was started by the one who started the inferiority thread not long ago, that was also removed.
An Aussie started this thread, btw.
Heh. Here what annoys me the most. Canada never gets credit where credit is due. I was watching an American documentary about Apollo 13 the other day. The narrator said that after the explosions, 'American ingenuity' got the astronauts down. Really, now? No mention of the Canadian scientists who really got those men down when 'American ingenuity' couldn't.
Or how about the movie with the American hostages in Iran? The Canadians were the heros of that whole mess and nary a peep about our efforts, which could have had us killed, and were worthy of a James Bond movie.
My favourite, however, is the vicious snark from US posters on these boards, telling me to get off their threads.
Charming.
And your post is the perfect example of the arrogance of describing "hatred expressed towards Americans by our brother" while excusing any and all examples of the reverse with inane offerings such as ignorance on the part of Americans because you don't either desire to learn about your "brothers" to the north or not living close enough to the northern border to have some sort of exposure.
Your efforts in Afghanistan ~ Does the term NATO have any significance to you at all?
I believe I pointed out that were you to use the term brother in it's correct definitive context, your citizens would at least make an effort to learn something about a filial member of the family without taking as gospel and parroting everything coming out of an idiot politicians mouth, eh?
I sure do take as offensive your reference to socialism, as in nearly every case it is used as pejorative in nature. C'mon now; you aren't seriously suggesting the term socialist is used in any other context than derisive in nature? The turnip truck went through here over a hundred years ago, not yesterday.
You folks are arguably more socialistic than we are with over 50% of your citizens receiving food supplement benefits on top of welfare and cel phones for some, medicare, medicaid, the VA, disability pensions for the obese, are just a few examples of your socialism with more coming on line daily.
I live for six months of the year in your country and have done since 2001 in various states from California, Arizona, Texas to Florida with now owning property in Florida and know it very well thank you.
I am often asked by my "brothers" in an opening gambit in the Golf clubhouse or during a happy hour to wit, "how Canada went from a frontier to a Socialist state in less than a hundred years?" That is a very is a popular one. I have have fielded questions posed such as "why don't you have freedom of speech in Canada" . "How can you tolerate your people dying while waiting for medical treatment" and the ever popular "why do you allow your government to take away your guns?".
We're NOT debating the relative membership quotas for the ignorant club here; we are instead debating your surmisal that hatred only flows one way and we are doing that based upon your premise that if anyone says anything derogatory about the U.S. they are expressing hatred as you so blithely mention no less than 4 times in your two posts.
I find it rather disingenuous of you when those comments postulated by Americans towards Canada or Canadians as mentioned here come our way they should be excused as simple ignorance rather than the hatred you ascribe to me.
Your emotive histrionics ascribing hatred to comments such as mine will not fly in either camp especially when you attempt to excuse any negative comments aimed at Canada by our brethren with an embarrassing "it's just simple ignorance rather than hatred" tale.
You cannot have it both ways when criticism from the north is "hatred" while criticism from the south is just "they don't know any better" nonsense.
Oh my where to start, first off you really are touchy about the socialism thing aren't you? Canada does have socialism, the health care system is government run is it not? There are more government safety nets in Canada is there not?? From what I have been told by Canadians your taxes are higher than ours correct?? The government is more involved in your lives than it is in the US. If you don't like the fact that your nation has socialism then I don't know what to say to you. We have socialism here in the US as well, bank bailouts, government stakes in our auto companies etc. Now we have more government in our healthcare, we are slowly moving toward your system. I don't like all of that but again those things are facts. Now about the hatred thing, well most Canadians ive met in person are not hateful, just the internet ones are. Your conversations with me reek of resentment and even hatred toward the US, but yet you claim to spend 6 months in the southern US a year. If you are like that when you visit I bet your really popular here.
Criticism is fine, things like " I don't like US foreign policy" or "the US is too individualistic" or " I don't like US gun policy" You have opinions up there and we have ours here. We don't have to agree. Your posts however suggest feelings of resentment that go way beyond criticism. Yes you will hear US citizens complain about how Canadians do things, so what we have opinions too. Rarely will you hear US citizens say as many truly nasty things about Canada as you suggest they do, but I do hear them from many "internet Canadians" Maybe its the internet that's the problem. Just to clear it up for you we don't like being called stupid, ignorant, backward, arrogant etc.
As far as you picking apart my wording of "our" efforts in Afghanistan well Im sorry you don't like that. Yes its a Nato effort, but initially we led that effort because it was more our fight than anyone else's. They did bomb us after all, and It was our people who were killed by those animals. I know I am wasting my time and yours so Ill wrap this up. You can go stomp on our flag and keep spewing it out, I get it you don't like the US. Thankfully I don't believe you represent most Canadians, but have some kinda personal grudge against the US. What I don't get is why you come here so much if you don't like us. If I thought most Canadians really felt the way you do I would not go up there either, but my experience up there is very good and most people seem genuinely nice. Is that fake???? am I being vamboozeled? I truly hope this poster does not really represent your views of our country.
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Does the term NATO have any significance to you at all?
Your conversations with me reek of resentment and even hatred toward the US, but yet you claim to spend 6 months in the southern US a year. If you are like that when you visit I bet your really popular here. 
Just to clear it up for you we don't like being called stupid, ignorant, backward, arrogant etc.
