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I've never said that I wanted an independent Quebec at the expense of "a united Canada with a strong, equal, French Quebec" as you put it, so here you're putting words in my mouth.
You said you would vote for independence....
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Originally Posted by Migratory Chicken
I'd actually vote Yes if there were a referendum tomorrow.
And is not true that you would be swayed not to vote for independence if Quebec manages to get something better from Canada. Is this not the case? Then you aren't saying anything different from me.
I would vote for independence if there were a referendum tomorrow, but if this was to happen we'd live in a different world than the one we live in. In the real world Quebecers do not want independence, not at the moment anyway, so we need to work in the confines of the Canadian federation.
Also there's a difference between building a better partnership for all Canadians and Quebec managing to extract more stuff from Canada. That's why your posts are borderline trolling, and I'm sure you're aware of it. You always put it in mercenary terms, and it sounds like you're only talking about getting more money. It pushes all of the buttons Canadians have about Quebec. Quebecers don't want to be bought off, they'd like to find a compromise position for a Canada that'd satisfy all parties. If you're a federalist then you should know this.
I would vote for independence if there were a referendum tomorrow, but if this was to happen we'd live in a different world than the one we live in. In the real world Quebecers do not want independence, not at the moment anyway, so we need to work in the confines of the Canadian federation.
Also there's a difference between building a better partnership for all Canadians and Quebec managing to extract more stuff from Canada. That's why your posts are borderline trolling, and I'm sure you're aware of it. You always put it in mercenary terms, and it sounds like you're only talking about getting more money. It pushes all of the buttons Canadians have about Quebec. Quebecers don't want to be bought off, they'd like to find a compromise position for a Canada that'd satisfy all parties. If you're a federalist then you should know this.
PBeauchamp sounds exactly like Acajack, but just not as eloquent. I don't see PBeauchamp saying anything much different than you either. It's basically this:
Give Quebec more recognition
Give Quebec more power over language
Give Quebec more control over immigration
and if Canada doesn't comply, then we'll have no choice but to separate.
Sorry, but in the English-speaking world that is almost the definition of making demands. Whether you say it more politely (like you and Acajack) or more bluntly (like PBeauchamp), it doesn't matter because the effect is the same.This is why trying to distinguish yourself from PBeachamp is just splitting hairs. The essence of what you guys are saying is the same, and it is incredibly different from anything espoused by people in other provinces.
It's only similar if you're determined to show that all francophone Quebecers are this cancer eating Canada from the inside, no matter what they're actually saying.
Sincere question here, not trying to start a fight(and really reluctant to take part in this thread) but what does that mean exactly? That Canadians who are just off the boat, or those who don't have French or English as their first language are less real Canadians? Is that how they/me are perceived?
I don't think I was saying this at all in my post.
But surely you can understand how many people in other countries might see things this way?
It's only similar if you're determined to show that all francophone Quebecers are this cancer eating Canada from the inside, no matter what they're actually saying.
PBeauchamp sounds exactly like Acajack, but just not as eloquent. I don't see PBeauchamp saying anything much different than you either. It's basically this:
Give Quebec more recognition
Give Quebec more power over language
Give Quebec more control over immigration
and if Canada doesn't comply, then we'll have no choice but to separate.
Sorry, but in the English-speaking world that is almost the definition of making demands. Whether you say it more politely (like you and Acajack) or more bluntly (like PBeauchamp), it doesn't matter because the effect is the same.This is why trying to distinguish yourself from PBeachamp is just splitting hairs. The essence of what you guys are saying is the same, and it is incredibly different from anything espoused by people in other provinces.
Many reps for this are probably already in the mail.
Many reps for this are probably already in the mail.
That is a gross oversimplication. How does Quebec take anything from Canada that is outside of the rules? We aren't doing anything that Canada won't agree to.
Quebec will not become independent. There is too much to be gained by staying as a part of Canada. Don't you see this? Help me understand why you would throw this all away just for schoolyard nationalism?
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