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Somehow I think the R.O.C will be in a better position once the emotions of the matter dissipate .
Of course the ROC would likely be in a better position than an independent Quebec. It would be larger, richer and have more resources in addition to being an established nation-state with all of the trappings existing already.
Goode pointe. And the only reason the Canada-US border is so complicated is because the US is the world's only superpower, preoccupied and even a bit paranoid about a million things including terrorism, protecting its territory and even being a kind of ''Fortress America". Neither an indendent Quebec nor Canada-sans-Quebec would be in this situation.
If the current Canada bordered Australia or even Japan its border would be way less complicated.
Would it? I doubt if Canada bordered Mexico or another poorer nation we would be so lax. Canadian borders are also secured by the federal government, who is strongly against anything like a Schengen type agreement with the US. I don't think it's the United States that is against more integration with Canada, it is anglo Canada with it's unfounded fear of Americans.
it is anglo Canada with it's unfounded fear of Americans.
Never heard of that before, how about The unfounded francophone fear of just about everyone who isnt francophone,particularly Anglophones where that fear is taken to a cultural obsession ?
Never heard of that before, how about The unfounded francophone fear of just about everyone who isnt francophone,particularly Anglophones where that fear is taken to a cultural obsession ?
The difference is anglo Canada has no cultur or identity to speak of, and is entirely dependent on American trends and generosity. The fear of Americans is really just a childish jealousy. A deeply embedded feeling of inferiority. In Quebec there is no jealousy towards anglo Canada, a place that is typically viewed as the Americans who didn't make the cut. There is a difference between a debilitating inferiority complex and wanting to keep your culture distinct.
The difference is anglo Canada has no cultur or identity to speak of, and is entirely dependent on American trends and generosity. The fear of Americans is really just a childish jealousy. A deeply embedded feeling of inferiority. In Quebec there is no jealousy towards anglo Canada, a place that is typically viewed as the Americans who didn't make the cut. There is a difference between a debilitating inferiority complex and wanting to keep your culture distinct.
Of course the ROC would likely be in a better position than an independent Quebec. It would be larger, richer and have more resources in addition to being an established nation-state with all of the trappings existing already.
Which essentially underscores how much it would be all worth it for a separation.. I get the emotional appeals and the 'freedom' for Quebec to determine its destiny across the board - i'm just not sure it would be in it or even Canada's best interest. Everyone really needs to think - not just about ideal situations but realistic one's as well..
Of course the ROC would likely be in a better position than an independent Quebec. It would be larger, richer and have more resources in addition to being an established nation-state with all of the trappings existing already.
yes, there's all the tax arguments but you could balance that by saying tax the other provinces more.
complicated debate and most likely Canada would be wrose off without quebec.
yes, there's all the tax arguments but you could balance that by saying tax the other provinces more.
complicated debate and most likely Canada would be wrose off without quebec.
Why? Canada can save money without bilingualism and no longer be burdened by us "tiresome Frenchies". Everyone wins if Quebec leaves. I don't see what the point is in keeping Quebec in Canada? If you want to boost overall GDP then join the US, see how silly that sounds? Quebec and Canada were not meant to be joined. It is dysfunctional!
Why? Canada can save money without bilingualism and no longer be burdened by us "tiresome Frenchies". Everyone wins if Quebec leaves. I don't see what the point is in keeping Quebec in Canada? If you want to boost overall GDP then join the US, see how silly that sounds? Quebec and Canada were not meant to be joined. It is dysfunctional!
Agreed,
however whether Quebec stays in Canada or leaves is entirely up to Quebec, If Quebec made a unilateral declaration of independence next week i think any descension from the ROC would die down rather quickly and when the dust settled Quebec would be its own country free to become whatever it wishes, Sounds like the logical course of action
An analogy that comes to mind is We are all on a bus,having fun driving into the future except this one guy on the back of the bus aint happy,he hates the bus,he hates the people on the bus,he hates where the bus is going,however for some odd reason getting off the bus is not an option he wants to consider .
Agreed,
however whether Quebec stays in Canada or leaves is entirely up to Quebec, If Quebec made a unilateral declaration of independence next week i think any descension from the ROC would die down rather quickly and when the dust settled Quebec would be its own country free to become whatever it wishes, Sounds like the logical course of action
An analogy that comes to mind is We are all on a bus,having fun driving into the future except this one guy on the back of the bus aint happy,he hates the bus,he hates the people on the bus,he hates where the bus is going,however for some odd reason getting off the bus is not an option he wants to consider .
To further that - the rest of the people on the bus feel they've done everything they could to have made him feel welcome and the feeling just is that it doesn't quite matter what is done, he'll always be unhappy.. The real question is - why doesn't he want to get off the bus and is equivocating so.....
In red I particularly agree - I do think there are economic benefits to a union but even that remains a question mark for me now because you have this large segment of a province that just doesn't want to deal with the R.O.C so you have to wonder about those benefits.. Additionally, not having to pay transfer payments to Quebec would be a financial burden off our shoulders. Canada already has name recognition in the world and those trade/treaty agreements in place so largely wouldn't change without Quebec. The onus would be on Quebec to carve out anew..
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