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Jeez Louise........11 pages of over a hundred posts and counting while repeating ad nauseum all the crappola of many other threads fostered on the topic.
Enough with this already.
Some Canadians dislike the U.S. and some United Statians. Some United Statians dislike Canada and some Canadians.
It's not the stuff of a nasty divorce and there'll be no alimony or siblings to fight over so who shives-a-git if either of us behave like the typical family?
Me personally; I'm the master of curmudgeonry and dislike everybody with equal disdain. Think "Walter" on Dunham's knee.
Can we move on now?
In all fairness Bru....there are other threads to visit. You don't have to be here
Now look what you've done!!! You're making me curmudgeonry.
As a child of immigrants who have always mostly associated with other immigrants to Canada, I can tell you what they all say about Canadians (that they might not say to your face). You wouldn't like most of it.
Yes so? I was relating my experience in the matter, doesn't mean I don't see other sides? Also my response about the Europeans was in response the the poster who said Canadians where worse than Europeans in their " hate ", and by me pointing out that people don't always say what they think to your face was to counter that assumption.
What is interesting is how Mr. Joshua assumes my train story is fake, but didn't challenge your story about immigrants and Canada? Head in the sand perhaps?
As a child of immigrants who have always mostly associated with other immigrants to Canada, I can tell you what they all say about Canadians (that they might not say to your face). You wouldn't like most of it.
I totally believe Nat's story and yours, but I also suppose that Canadians wouldn't like the fact that many foreigners lump Canadians in with Americans, and that many of the stereotypes they have of Americans (admittedly ignorant), they also automatically attribute to Canadians.
Yes so? I was relating my experience in the matter, doesn't mean I don't see other sides? Also my response about the Europeans was in response the the poster who said Canadians where worse than Europeans in their " hate ", and by me pointing out that people don't always say what they think to your face was to counter that assumption.
What is interesting is how Mr. Joshua assumes my train story is fake, but didn't challenge your story about immigrants and Canada? Head in the sand perhaps?
I have no idea if Mr. Joshua has his head in the sand, Nat. You'll have to ask him that.
I didn't say I didn't believe your story. I do. Europeans, like Americans, like Canadians, like Aussies or anyone else, can be bigoted idiots who make ridiculous, sweeping comments about an entire country and its people. I was relating my experience in the matter, too, so chill.
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It's an absolute fact. I can even still picture her in my head. Ask some other Canadians for their experiences.
You are also incorrect in saying I have a low opinion of Americans. Did you not read where I state I defended the US on these occasions? Have you not read that I have family and friends in the US? Did you not know that I visit the US fairly often because I enjoy it?
The fact that you refuse to believe a simple story about someone in Europe who is anti-American ( did you not think they exist? ) is what is ridiculous.
The (many - not all) Europeans' hatred of anything American is long standing, fueled by the equal mix of valid reasons, hypocrisy, self-aggrandizement, and dick envy. The French in particular can't forgive us for liberating them yet refusing to put a French general in charge of Allied forces fighting in France so that they could claim it was their victory. It's like you help a girl who just crapped herself - she'd never go on a date with you
The latest round of America hatred came after Dubya invaded Iraq against the wishes of the Europeans. While I still think that removing Saddam was a wrong thing to do, and actually agree that we should've listened, I can't help but feel that the sheer amount and viciousness of anti-American hysteria has far more to do with hurt feelings and wounded pride and anger at being slighted, than with actual moral objections to the war. Otherwise there would be an equally vocal and ferocious opposition to the very similar war in Libya - which was started by the European governments.
And the reason that the Europeans got in this situation in first place is because they don't want to spend the funding necessary for protection of their homeland, but they detest being pushed around by the US who provides them with protection.
This almost sounds like a bad marital relationship and I think both sides would benefit from Europe becoming more independent and able to take care of itself with it's own resources. Otherwise the next boyfriend may end up being even worse
I totally believe Nat's story and yours, but I also suppose that Canadians wouldn't like the fact that many foreigners lump Canadians in with Americans, and that many of the stereotypes they have of Americans (admittedly ignorant), they also automatically attribute to Canadians.
Well, I wasn't talking about foreigners. I was talking about immigrants who have lived in Canada for decades but who don't have entirely favorable opinions about natural-born Canadians. I'm not saying that's right. I'm saying that's just how it is. Believe it or not, not everyone considers Canadians to be very friendly. Many don't even consider them to be particularly "polite."
The (many - not all) Europeans' hatred of anything American is long standing, fueled by the equal mix of valid reasons, hypocrisy, self-aggrandizement, and dick envy. The French in particular can't forgive us for liberating them yet refusing to put a French general in charge of Allied forces fighting in France so that they could claim it was their victory. It's like you help a girl who just crapped herself - she'd never go on a date with you
The latest round of America hatred came after Dubya invaded Iraq against the wishes of the Europeans. While I still think that removing Saddam was a wrong thing to do, and actually agree that we should've listened, I can't help but feel that the sheer amount and viciousness of anti-American hysteria has far more to do with hurt feelings and wounded pride and anger at being slighted, than with actual moral objections to the war. Otherwise there would be an equally vocal and ferocious opposition to the very similar war in Libya - which was started by the European governments.
And the reason that the Europeans got in this situation in first place is because they don't want to spend the funding necessary for protection of their homeland, but they detest being pushed around by the US who provides them with protection.
This almost sounds like a bad marital relationship and I think both sides would benefit from Europe becoming more independent and able to take care of itself with it's own resources. Otherwise the next boyfriend may end up being even worse
Very good analysis. I would also like to add that most of anti-american sentiment comes from the Left. US being the biggest capitalist country is the red rag for all kind of "socialists".
Well, I wasn't talking about foreigners. I was talking about immigrants who have lived in Canada for decades but who don't have entirely favorable opinions about natural-born Canadians. I'm not saying that's right. I'm saying that's just how it is. Believe it or not, not everyone considers Canadians to be very friendly. Many don't even consider them to be particularly "polite."
Oh I get that. My point was just to say (and I think you share this view too) that it's not true that (most) everyone in the world loves Canadians. It's almost a national meme to think that, as you know.
Obviously, Canadians are a well-regarded nationality generally speaking. But there are people out there who are not fond of Canadians for various reasons, and some Canadians who give foreigners ample reason to dislike us.
Oh I get that. My point was just to say (and I think you share this view too) that it's not true that (most) everyone in the world loves Canadians. It's almost a national meme to think that, as you know.
Obviously, Canadians are a well-regarded nationality generally speaking. But there are people out there who are not fond of Canadians for various reasons, and some Canadians who give foreigners ample reason to dislike us.
Well said. As usual, I agree with everything you say.
Oh I get that. My point was just to say (and I think you share this view too) that it's not true that (most) everyone in the world loves Canadians. It's almost a national meme to think that, as you know.
Obviously, Canadians are a well-regarded nationality generally speaking. But there are people out there who are not fond of Canadians for various reasons, and some Canadians who give foreigners ample reason to dislike us.
The world "loves" Canadians because they are so American-like yet not Americans. (*) They are the "good twin". Take the US out of equation, and the world doesn't really care about Canada any more than they care about New Zealand. It's just there.
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(*) I know that some people would immediately jump up and say "we're very different". I've lived abroad and the truth is, that difference is not that obvious to the most of the world. It's like the difference between the Swabs and the Bavarians - it's very real but to most people outside of Germany, they are almost the same.
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