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Old 06-12-2021, 10:28 AM
 
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There’s been a demand for Pope Francis to visit Canada and apologize for the maltreatment of indigenous children in residential schools. While churches bore much responsibility for the problems, it seems the government is trying to deflect blame from itself since it gave the churches the responsibility of running those schools. Has anyone wondered what some of Canada’s beloved politicians of the past knew and when they knew it? Since the Catholic Church is in a weak position in Canada, what’s stopping the pols who are beating their breasts in shock and anger from bleeding the Church dry?
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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The bishop of the Diocese of Kamloops wasn’t even in Canada when that school was operating. He grew up in Vietnam. Should he resign?
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Old 06-12-2021, 11:20 AM
 
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Joint responsibility.
Buck stops with Canadian government but church has equal responsibility for wrongdoing.
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Old 06-12-2021, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Canada
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There’s been a demand for Pope Francis to visit Canada and apologize for the maltreatment of indigenous children in residential schools. While churches bore much responsibility for the problems, it seems the government is trying to deflect blame from itself since it gave the churches the responsibility of running those schools. Has anyone wondered what some of Canada’s beloved politicians of the past knew and when they knew it? Since the Catholic Church is in a weak position in Canada, what’s stopping the pols who are beating their breasts in shock and anger from bleeding the Church dry?
The issue seems to be that the Church as an institution, has never apologized. Individual bishops have though. The government has. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...star_web_ymbii And Christians should set a higher standard than earthly governments, as they claim to be a higher standard.

The Anglican church has apologized and other churches as well. https://www.facinghistory.org/stolen...ches-apologize

As to the graveyard itself, other than the fact that it's reprehensible that children were taken from their parents to begin with, I read that the graveyard was not a secret graveyard - the federal government would not pay to send the bodies of these children home. And over the years, like so many graveyards, it was simply forgotten about.

I know of graveyards around here, small graveyards of anywhere from 10 to 20 graves, that depending on the farmer, were simply tilled over eventually. Some had their markers removed and the names that could still be made out, carved into a cairn. The land around here was dotted with very small villages back in the 1870s when this was all Mennonite land. Some of the villages didn't survive as people moved to larger villages and the old country way of having the people in a village while their fields lay outside the village collapsed.

Of course there is a huge difference between residential school graveyards and village graveyards but I doubt the school graveyards were ever secret. People just forgot about them over time.
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Old 06-12-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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There’s been a demand for Pope Francis to visit Canada and apologize for the maltreatment of indigenous children in residential schools. While churches bore much responsibility for the problems, it seems the government is trying to deflect blame from itself since it gave the churches the responsibility of running those schools. Has anyone wondered what some of Canada’s beloved politicians of the past knew and when they knew it? Since the Catholic Church is in a weak position in Canada, what’s stopping the pols who are beating their breasts in shock and anger from bleeding the Church dry?
What happened at the schools is the government's fault, because they gave the church the responsibility for running those schools
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Old 06-12-2021, 05:15 PM
 
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Both Roman Catholic and government is to blame.
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Old 06-12-2021, 07:55 PM
 
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What happened at the schools is the government's fault, because they gave the church the responsibility for running those schools
They were suppose to run schools not abuse and kill children. I hope the government finds a way to heavily punish Churches' and strip them all the property throughout the country.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:03 AM
 
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What happened at the schools is the government's fault, because they gave the church the responsibility for running those schools
This is parallel to my thinking. The gov'ts of the day were all too willing to abdicate responsibility to churches thereby divesting themselves of any blame for the outright bigotry assosciated with them being designated "savages".

The icing on the "bitter cake", if you will, was the use of a term like "school" to describe what those buildings actually were. Everyone could hide behind the false image of them being provided a foundational education.

Like every single egregious episode in Canada's past however, there were no shortage of people in full comprehension of what was actually taking place within those walls.

Bad people doing bad things enabled by good people doing nothing.

From the UK WWII evacuated children being used as slave labour on farms across Canada, "butter box babies" in Nova Scotia, the killing of black escaped slaves sitting on valuable land grants along the Grand River in Ontario in the mid to late 1800's by immigrant Scots watching all of those potential grist and sawmill sites beside fast flowing water going wasted with one family clearing just enough land to plant truck gardens to simply feed themselves and satisfy minimum grant requirements; Canada had/has no shortage of people willing to look the other way whenever morality requires a modicum of effort.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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Both Roman Catholic and government is to blame.
All faiths were involved in those schools or the wholesale kidnapping of indigenous children off reserves to then place them within 'so-called' devout homes to some degree. Not just Catholic.
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Old 06-13-2021, 10:00 AM
 
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No, they are not being scapegoated. Learn the history.
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