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Getting past the sarcasm in my last post, seriously if you are having difficulty driving in foggy or rainy conditions then pull over and wait until conditions improve. Yea the city could spend a few million dollars installing street lights or you could spend $50 on a set of fog lights. There's nothing wrong with applying a little personal responsibility to your problem and most of the time its cheaper. After all it usually is dark at night. If that's a problem for you then don't drive when it's dark, or rainy, or foggy.
I don't understand the personal responsibility thing. It's what people throw out reflexively when they don't want to spend money, even for reasonable things.
Fog lights do not decrease accidents because any gain in visibility gained is offset by loss in visibility from the lights shining in someone else's eyes. Plus if everyone paid 50 bucks for fog lights the total cost to society is MUCH more than if the government puts up some streetlights, for less efficacy.
Well lighted streets decrease fatalities and decrease accidents. Surface streets that are well lighted decrease crime. All for relatively few dollars.
If this isn't something that is an ideal use of tax dollars, I don't know what is. Lighting of roadways is the textbook definition of a public good.
This is one of the things that was the most difficult for me to get used to when I moved here (the lack of street lights). When no other cars were on the road I couldn't even tell where the median was or if there was one when making a left hand turn.....until I was right up on it.
I am more used to it now, but it took a while.
Dawn
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I don't understand the personal responsibility thing. Most people do not drive around in the dark without headlights. What more responsibility could one take?
Well lighted streets decrease fatalities and decrease accidents. Surface streets that are well lighted decrease crime. All for relatively few dollars.
If this isn't something that is an ideal use of tax dollars, I don't know what is.
Just visited Charlotte and the lack of lighting made my driving dangerous and contributed to my getting lost a bit (hey, I'm good at directions, but it's not an area I know). I got off of 485 and it was very very dark. Where the ramp ended and the next street began was very hard to know - no signs. Looking for street signs is harrowing. Can't see the name of the streets out in the more suburbian areas and with drivers behine, can't really use directions very well with no illumination of the signs, streets, etc. Needs more street name identifiers for intersections and the like. I think money is the issue, and NC is having growth at a staggering rate. But it is a real driving safety (and sanity, lol) issue.
Just visited Charlotte and the lack of lighting made my driving dangerous and contributed to my getting lost a bit (hey, I'm good at directions, but it's not an area I know). I got off of 485 and it was very very dark. Where the ramp ended and the next street began was very hard to know - no signs. Looking for street signs is harrowing. Can't see the name of the streets out in the more suburbian areas and with drivers behine, can't really use directions very well with no illumination of the signs, streets, etc. Needs more street name identifiers for intersections and the like. I think money is the issue, and NC is having growth at a staggering rate. But it is a real driving safety (and sanity, lol) issue.
Agree.Charlotte is not very progressive at all. I recently moved here and I feel like I'm in a time warp 20 years ago. The politicians here have to do a better job.
Just visited Charlotte and the lack of lighting made my driving dangerous and contributed to my getting lost a bit (hey, I'm good at directions, but it's not an area I know). I got off of 485 and it was very very dark. Where the ramp ended and the next street began was very hard to know - no signs. Looking for street signs is harrowing. Can't see the name of the streets out in the more suburbian areas and with drivers behine, can't really use directions very well with no illumination of the signs, streets, etc. Needs more street name identifiers for intersections and the like. I think money is the issue, and NC is having growth at a staggering rate. But it is a real driving safety (and sanity, lol) issue.
Im impress, you driving from Florida without a GPS but it would make life so much easier investing in one. They start at only $75 bucks then you would kow when a roads ends the way it curves plus what it intersects with and some even tell you street names.
Agree.Charlotte is not very progressive at all. I recently moved here and I feel like I'm in a time warp 20 years ago. The politicians here have to do a better job.
Street light problems make us non-progressive? What cities are you judging us against?
Street light problems make us non-progressive? What cities are you judging us against?
I think I'm on your side GCharlotte. I just used Google image searched "Jetsons" and not only do their cities not have street lights. They also use daily transporation that doesn't even have headlights as an option. And they're way more progressive in my mind.
Maybe Charlotte's problem is we still drive cars with headlights!
I think I'm on your side GCharlotte. I just used Google image searched "Jetsons" and not only do their cities not have street lights. They also use daily transporation that doesn't even have headlights as an option. And they're way more progressive in my mind.
Maybe Charlotte's problem is we still drive cars with headlights!
Maybe Charlotte's problem is we still drive cars with headlights!
Don't give 'em any more ideas. I have a theory that people don't use turn signals because of NASCAR and I don't want the using decals for headlights.
On the other hand, Charlotte Motor Speedway is well lit.
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