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View Poll Results: Can Rauner get us out of this mess?
Yes 19 24.36%
No 59 75.64%
Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-13-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Schaumburg, please don't hate me for it.
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Big loss for Rauner today, with Scalia dying. The ruling on public unions and fair share fees will be a 4-4 deadlock now. Even if the court chooses to revisit the opinion later it would be 2018 at the earliest.
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:30 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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Yes, because the problem started specifically in 2003. Don't fool yourself, the problem in Illinois has been created by both sides of the aisle, even if you refuse to admit it.
The Democrats had 12 years to deal with this looming financial disaster and did nothing but exasperate it. I know Democrats love to blame their F ups on whoever the last Repbulican in charge was but it is rediculous because they had ample time to fix and avoid it. Also if as you say the problem had its roots in a Republican administration what did the Democrats in power at the time to fight it?

There comes a point where simply blaming your failures on George W Bush or some other Republican just rings as hollow as the blame shifting of the incompetent.
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:33 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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The Democrats had 12 years to deal with this looming financial disaster and did nothing but exasperate it. I know Democrats love to blame their F ups and whoever the last Repbulican in charge was but it is rediculous because they had ample time to fix and avoid it. Also if as you say the problem had its roots in a Republican administration what did the Democrats in power at the time to fight it?

There comes a point where simply blaming your failures on George W Bush or some other Republican just rings as hollow as the blame shifting of the incompetent.
Lol. Your reading comprehension is great. Peace.
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:40 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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Lol. Your reading comprehension is great. Peace.
Lol your defending the indefensible is great and shows exactly the type of democrats can do no wrong attitude that got us here.

If some Republican 12 years ago made a mistake in terms of policy and the democrats didn't fix it, it is now their mistake. That is the downside of one party rule, you can't blame the other party.
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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Big loss for Rauner today, with Scalia dying. The ruling on public unions and fair share fees will be a 4-4 deadlock now. Even if the court chooses to revisit the opinion later it would be 2018 at the earliest.
Indeed
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:51 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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Yea Obama is probably going to ram another Liberal ageneda driven loon like Sotomayor in there if the senate doesn't block it.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:20 PM
 
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Yea Obama is probably going to ram another Liberal ageneda driven loon like Sotomayor in there if the senate doesn't block it.
As apposed to any GOP president nominating another loony conservative..
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:24 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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Please I've read better reasoned arguments on the Politics and Other Controversies Forum than Sotomayor's dissenting opinion on the Michigan affirmative action case.
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Old 02-13-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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The Democrats had 12 years to deal with this looming financial disaster and did nothing but exasperate it. I know Democrats love to blame their F ups on whoever the last Repbulican in charge was but it is rediculous because they had ample time to fix and avoid it. Also if as you say the problem had its roots in a Republican administration what did the Democrats in power at the time to fight it?

There comes a point where simply blaming your failures on George W Bush or some other Republican just rings as hollow as the blame shifting of the incompetent.
Both parties failed to fund the pensions, which would of meant cutting funding for other programs. We can blame dems, republicans or both, it doesn't matter. The Supreme Court ruled, WE owe the money and the longer the Governor (dem or a republican) delays paying it the worse it's going to get. The elephant in the room is the interest and high cost to borrow money to pay it, not the yearly "nut" to actually pay the benefit.
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Old 02-13-2016, 07:13 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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The Supreme Court ruled, WE owe the money
And the simple fact is you can't extract blood from a rock. There is no way the state can raise the money necessary to pay those pensions as they are now and if they attempt to try it will absolutely kill the economy and cause an even bigger exodus starting with myself.
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