Chicago Crime Spikes ...Why ? (Justice, Avon: organic, prices, military)

[IrishIllini]

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More like cannot do their job without breaking the law. In all seriousness, not all cops are bad, but it only takes one bad one to destroy the public perception of the CPD...not that they had the best perception prior to the release of the video.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by jwaiter

Since that police shooting video the popo just don't want to do their jobs anymore.

As I said above, there is a school of thought which blames most crime on police racism. So if that theory is true, then this ACLU agreement should lead to a reduction in crime, because there will be fewer police encounters and thus fewer arrests. The sooner crime goes down, the better IMHO! So far it doesn't look good but I guess we will see.

[jonnynonos]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist or particularly knowledgable about the internicene workings of law enforcement, but from what I've read it's hard not to conclude that the police simply stopping people far less has likely led to more criminals left on the streets;thus more crime.

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by BRU67

As I said above, there is a school of thought which blames most crime on police racism. So if that theory is true, then this ACLU agreement should lead to a reduction in crime, because there will be fewer police encounters and thus fewer arrests. The sooner crime goes down, the better IMHO! So far it doesn't look good but I guess we will see.

I have never heard an idea as absurd as this one.

Police racism has led to a surge of shootings? Please explain.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

I have never heard an idea as absurd as this one.

Police racism has led to a surge of shootings? Please explain.

I'm the wrong guy to ask. I was just citing what seems to be a popular theory these days.

I mean, personally, I think the shootings are caused by a bunch of ignorant morons who have no sense of morals and can't control their temper. I think the police need to be more aggressive, and given the tools to do so. I'd put police on bicycles and on foot in high crime neighborhoods and have them stop anybody where there was proper cause for suspicion.

Maybe one of the liberals who ascribes to the theory I cited can chime in here and explain why reducing police stops will reduce crime. I'll be glad to be proven wrong.

[cordtwo]

Originally Posted by BRU67

I'm the wrong guy to ask. I was just citing what seems to be a popular theory these days.

I mean, personally, I think the shootings are caused by a bunch of ignorant morons who have no sense of morals and can't control their temper. I think the police need to be more aggressive, and given the tools to do so. I'd put police on bicycles and on foot in high crime neighborhoods and have them stop anybody where there was proper cause for suspicion.

Maybe one of the liberals who ascribes to the theory I cited can chime in here and explain why reducing police stops will reduce crime. I'll be glad to be proven wrong.

They will figure out some nonsense. Anyone with common sense knows that without the presence of the police, crime spikes. Do remember how the civilians were rioting against the cops in Baltimore and once the cops stopped patrolling their blocks for obvious reasons, crime spiked like hell? Then there were complaints from the civilians that the neighborhoods were not being patrolled. So at first it was like, we do not need you and then OK please come back and whoop some ass now because we are scared.

[Lookout Kid]

The CPD needs a battery acid enema. Their reaction to being told they can't simply shoot people without cause is to throw the equivalent of a hissy fit. The F.O.P. protects wrongdoers regardless of offense, and is worse than the Chicago Teachers Union. What a bunch of babies. Do your ****ing jobs.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

The CPD needs a battery acid enema. Their reaction to being told they can't simply shoot people without cause is to throw the equivalent of a hissy fit. The F.O.P. protects wrongdoers regardless of offense, and is worse than the Chicago Teachers Union. What a bunch of babies. Do your ****ing jobs.

The agreement with the ACLU that we're talking about here has nothing to do with excessive force. It has to do with the stops authorized by the Supreme Court in Terry v. Ohio.

The ACLU agreement has had the effect of limiting those stops. That might not be an issue in the western suburbs but it becomes a major problem in high-crime urban areas. Officers need to make those investigatory stops, and often.

I also think the notion that CPD officers are simply shooting people with impunity, versus the McDonald case being an isolated incident, is ridiculous. Unjustified shootings should be dealt with harshly, and there are legal mechanisms to do so, but I hardly think these types of shootings the norm in the police department.

[ParkerP]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

The CPD needs a battery acid enema. Their reaction to being told they can't simply shoot people without cause is to throw the equivalent of a hissy fit. The F.O.P. protects wrongdoers regardless of offense, and is worse than the Chicago Teachers Union. What a bunch of babies. Do your ****ing jobs.

Agreed. It's so glaringly obvious that this is exactly what is happening. My question is, why hasn't this been addressed by the FBI or federal govt or whoever it is that keeps police departments in check? Normally when we and the rest of society don't feel like doing our jobs or do it half-assed because customers pissed us off and we can't retaliate and treat them like crap, there's consequences and punishment. Even if there are policy changes or new procedures are put in place resulting in more paper work for us, we still have to do our jobs and do them correctly. I wish I had the luxury of throwing tantrums when things don't go my way at work.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by ParkerP

Agreed. It's so glaringly obvious that this is exactly what is happening. My question is, why hasn't this been addressed by the FBI or federal govt or whoever it is that keeps police departments in check? Normally when we and the rest of society don't feel like doing our jobs or do it half-assed because customers pissed us off and we can't retaliate and treat them like crap, there's consequences and punishment. Even if there are policy changes or new procedures are put in place resulting in more paper work for us, we still have to do our jobs and do them correctly. I wish I had the luxury of throwing tantrums when things don't go my way at work.

And we have a lot of people on the south and west side who shoot people when things don't go their way. Therein lies the problem!