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Philly, NYC, and Boston 139 76.37%
Indianapolis, Columbus, and Kansas City 43 23.63%
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Old 10-13-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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DC has the energy of a SF or mini Manhattan; progressive, growing and wealthy. It's not an old stagnant city whose best days are behind. Honestly, in many ways DC trumps Chicago, and I predict will overtake it in most categories within the next few years.
Manhattan and San Francisco were vibrant and exciting long before you came completely gentrify. You seem to equate vibrant with affluent. Manhattan in San Francisco were vibrant and exciting long before they became completely gentrified. If anything, they are less interesting now than they were 15 to 20 years ago. For the record, Chicago is far more similar to New York than DC will ever be.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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Manhattan and San Francisco were vibrant and exciting long before you came completely gentrify. You seem to equate vibrant with affluent. Manhattan in San Francisco were vibrant and exciting long before they became completely gentrified. If anything, they are less interesting now than they were 15 to 20 years ago. For the record, Chicago is far more similar to New York than DC will ever be.
Chicago isn't anything like New York on the street level. DC isn't either. Only people from the Midwest thinks so because they need validation. Outside of the Loop, Chicago looks just like Minneapolis and Milwaukee.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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Chicago isn't anything like New York on the street level. DC isn't either. Only people from the Midwest thinks so because they need validation. Outside of the Loop, Chicago looks just like Minneapolis and Milwaukee.
I'm from Manhattan. It reminds me of NYC. When my NY friends came out to visit, they remarked on how similar they thought the cities were.

I guess this looks just like Minneapolis and Milwaukee (although I admit Milwaukee is very similar to Chicago)

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9201...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9187...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9151...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...f1b215!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/20...2531df!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...57d12b!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9211...8i6656!6m1!1e1




Although similarities don't end at built form. Much like the big east coast, almost every Chicago neighborhood has its own commercial strip. That's not necessarily true of Midwestern cities.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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Just want to mention that when you said the 3 biggest east coast cities, you forgot DC. DC metro is far larger than Boston metro and also has a larger city population. DC also just passed Philly this year to become the 2nd largest east coast metro area at 6.1 million people. Throw Baltimore in the mix, and you're looking at 9 million people.

IMO, DC feels like the 2nd city on the east coast economically, culturally, and in built environment, with Boston coming in at 3rd. DC feels like a massively growing, very wealthy, very international area. It also has extremely nice, densely developed suburbs, many of which, like Arlington, Tysons, Bethesda/ Chevy Chase, Silver Spring, can go up against smaller cities on their own.

I've lived in all of them, so I think this is a fairly objective viewpoint.

Does the DC metro today include Baltimore? At some point over the last two decades the cities have merged into the same metro area as they are only 41 miles apart per google and the area is really about the same size as LA County.

Outside of NY it is the biggest metro area on the East Coast now and should be one of the big 4. Chicago/LA/NYC/Washington DC Metro.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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I don't think that Chicagoland suburbs (metro) are very similar to suburbs in the rest of the Midwest or the North East. I don't know where you will find counterpart suburbs like Oak Park or Evanston in the Midwest. Then you have suburbs like Naperville that are modern with a charming downtown; right next to Aurora which is definitely more blue collar. You've got all of the Northwest suburbs (Schamburg, Arlington Heights, etc) that are wealthy and modern. The North Shore suburbs in addition to Evanston (Wilmette, Skokie, Winnetka) also feel unique because of their location. Up to Lake County, where you have some places with very large homes that can almost feel like a Midwest version on cape cod. Then you have the south/southwest suburbs that are diverse in look and feel. Basically, the Chicagoland suburbs are so vast and diverse, that they are unique compared to the Midwest and Northeast.
Most metro areas have this variety of suburbs.

Virtually all metro areas have suburbs like Aurora and Naperville, Northwest suburbs (Schaumburg, Arlington Hts, North Shore suburbs (well at least metro areas that are on a large body of water) and Lake County suburbs (again those metro areas on a large body of water).

Evanston and Oak Park I will admit are definitely not found in just any metro areas, but the older small city limits metro areas (so not Columbus, Indy, or Kansas City. These cities have neighborhoods like Oak Park within their city limits) in the midwest have these. However, St. Louis has University City (with Washington U right outside city limits), Cleveland has Lakewood and Cleveland Heights (dense, vibrant, walkable, either on the lake or having a university), and Detroit has Ferndale, Royal Oak, and Birmingham, (most vibrant parts of metro Detroit. One can argue that these are still different, but they still fill similar niche).

East Coast cities are no contest, with having urban suburbs right outside city limits. Most suburbs surrounding Boston are like Oak Park or Evanston (historic, intellectual, colleges).
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Old 10-13-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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I'm from Manhattan. It reminds me of NYC. When my NY friends came out to visit, they remarked on how similar they thought the cities were.

I guess this looks just like Minneapolis and Milwaukee (although I admit Milwaukee is very similar to Chicago)

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9201...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9187...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9151...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...f1b215!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/20...2531df!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...57d12b!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9211...8i6656!6m1!1e1




Although similarities don't end at built form. Much like the big east coast, almost every Chicago neighborhood has its own commercial strip. That's not necessarily true of Midwestern cities.

Every link you posted looks exactly like the Dupont Circle/Kalorama neighborhoods of DC. It doesn't look anything like Manhattan to me. Maybe some areas of BK but definitely not Manhattan.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/23...512536!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9111...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9148...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/18...426924!6m1!1e1

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Old 10-13-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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I don't know where you will find counterpart suburbs like Oak Park or Evanston in the Midwest.
Lakewood and Cleveland Heights, Ohio.
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Lakewood and Cleveland Heights, Ohio.
Cincinnati

Hyde Park and Clifton...
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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Cincinnati

Hyde Park and Clifton...
Not sure about Hyde Park, but isn't Clifton technically within the city limits?
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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Chicago isn't anything like New York on the street level. DC isn't either. Only people from the Midwest thinks so because they need validation. Outside of the Loop, Chicago looks just like Minneapolis and Milwaukee.
Validation from who, exactly? Seems like it's people on the coasts berating the Midwest because THEY need validation. This whole forum is a bubble...
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