NYC to Chicago, move on the horizon (Berkeley, Manhattan: to live, restaurant)

[prhill]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

About what, that you can't compare the theater or fashion industry? OK.

Cleanliness -- yes, again, you can't compare it, Chicago is 100 times nicer and more clean.

One thing I've noticed about people who are really pro NYC is that they want everyone to acknowledge that NYC is THE BEST UNDER THE SUN IN EVERY RESPECT, I guess so they feel better about their $3,000 a month studio apartment.

It is definitely number one in a lot of respects; it is definitely not number one in some respects.

One obvious strike against it to anyone who has spent time there is that it is grimy and dirty.

It is what it is.

Obviously millions upon millions of rich people don't care and still want to live there.

That doesn't make it any less grimy and dirty.

After reading through all of the things said here and from what I have heard from so many others over the years there is no comparison. Chicago is the nicer more livable place for many reasons. I am not surprised it seems many New Yorkers move here or that in the case of my friend who was going to move there changed his mind after coming to Chicago

[NewNewJersey]

not every bodega is lined with pigeon ****, but i have been smelling more human **** lately. Cant tell if its the rising homeless population or all the bull**** concerning the state of emergency recently declared on the MTA. 3rd world is a fitting discription. Dont know how often cta trains derail and shut down but thats been happening often lately. Or the construction drill that penetrated one of the subway tunnels and scalped an F train in manhattan a while back. Its problem concerning overpopulation. I guess the city taking in more people than it was ever intended to. 8.5 million people and growing. Its amazing really.

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by Josef K.

Then you are misreading my post, which is about quality of attractions, not quantity (and certainly not some silly notion of "rivalry").

One of the advantages of Chicago is that you get access to some top-flight attractions, with less of the hassle of NYC living.

Yes, but you can say that about any two cities with dissimilar size.

"One of the advantages of Indianapolis is you get access to some top-flight attractions with less of the hassle of Chicago living". See how that works?

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

I agree with parts of your post, but the place you are straight-up lying is regarding cleanliness.

NYC is absolutely disgusting compared to Chicago.

You aren't the first person to say this, but I have honestly no idea what you're talking about.

Chicago is filthy. It's probably more filthy than NYC, because like a third of the city is semi-abandoned, and those tend to be the dirtiest areas. Occupied areas are always less full of garbage and the like, because there aren't vacant lots and untended properties.

And even affluent parts of Chicago are dirty. I used to live Broadway/Belmont, and that area was disgusting on weekends. It looked like Bourbon Street in the morning. I have never lived in an NYC neighborhood as gross as Broadway/Belmont, and I've lived in different parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn.

All major U.S. cities are dirty. Anyone moving to a major U.S. city based on "cleanliness" is pretty much crazy, IMO.

[Bluefox]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

You aren't the first person to say this, but I have honestly no idea what you're talking about.

Chicago is filthy. It's probably more filthy than NYC, because like a third of the city is semi-abandoned, and those tend to be the dirtiest areas. Occupied areas are always less full of garbage and the like, because there aren't vacant lots and untended properties.

And even affluent parts of Chicago are dirty. I used to live Broadway/Belmont, and that area was disgusting on weekends. It looked like Bourbon Street in the morning. I have never lived in an NYC neighborhood as gross as Broadway/Belmont, and I've lived in different parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn.

All major U.S. cities are dirty. Anyone moving to a major U.S. city based on "cleanliness" is pretty much crazy, IMO.

No. Just no.

You are attempting to use a part of Chicago with a miniscule fraction of New York's population and an area no visitor would ever go to judge the city as a whole. And the areas you are talking about have a fraction of the population density of New York. Logic would suggest that less people=less trash. I think you are the only person in the world who thinks New York is cleaner than Chicago. There is trash everywhere in New York. Everywhere, including the most touristy and visitor-heavy spots.

Cleanliness shouldn't be a reason to move or not to move to a city, and there are plenty of world class cities that are dirty as hell, but come on. Chicago is the cleaner city, period.

[prhill]

Originally Posted by Bluefox

No. Just no.

You are attempting to use a part of Chicago with a miniscule fraction of New York's population and an area no visitor would ever go to judge the city as a whole. And the areas you are talking about have a fraction of the population density of New York. Logic would suggest that less people=less trash. I think you are the only person in the world who thinks New York is cleaner than Chicago. There is trash everywhere in New York. Everywhere, including the most touristy and visitor-heavy spots.

Cleanliness shouldn't be a reason to move or not to move to a city, and there are plenty of world class cities that are dirty as hell, but come on. Chicago is the cleaner city, period.

NOLA is clearly trolling. In all of these years not one person has ever said New York was cleaner or friendlier or nicer or better looking than Chicago

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by Bluefox

No. Just no.

You are attempting to use a part of Chicago with a miniscule fraction of New York's population and an area no visitor would ever go to judge the city as a whole.

Like 30-40% of Chicago is declined or somewhat "ghetto" and generally filthy. If anything, this is pretty representative of the city. You can't discount the bad areas of Chicago when judging the city's overall cleanliness. NYC has bad areas too, of course, but not abandoned, empty areas.

Originally Posted by Bluefox

Cleanliness shouldn't be a reason to move or not to move to a city, and there are plenty of world class cities that are dirty as hell, but come on. Chicago is the cleaner city, period.

No way. I honestly have no clue how someone would come to this conclusion.

Here is Broadway/Belmont, a "rich" area. Take a look around and tell me this area is "clean". I see plenty of garbage when panning around.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/W+...!4d-87.6444035

Then compare to my current neighborhood, in Brooklyn.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/7t...!4d-73.9763295


I don't know how anyone could honestly claim this area is dirtier. Both are socioeconomically similar, BTW, and the Brooklyn neighborhood is much busier. Where is this alleged "dirtiness"?

Cities are gross, generally. They're heavily used. If you have a clean city, it's an empty city. Have never seen a city in the Western world that is actually vibrant and free of any visible waste.

[Josef K.]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

Yes, but you can say that about any two cities with dissimilar size.

"One of the advantages of Indianapolis is you get access to some top-flight attractions with less of the hassle of Chicago living". See how that works?

Not necessarily.

Let's replace Indianapolis in your sample sentence with Cleveland. Now it makes sense. This is because Cleveland is endowed with a collection of absolutely first-class cultural offerings, some of them famous all over the country or even the world (like the orchestra and the main art museum, which are at a level of quality comparable to what you find in Chicago, Boston or Philadelphia). Indianapolis has some respectable attractions but they are not in the same class as Cleveland (at least based on what I've heard).

Yet Indianapolis is by far the bigger city, more than twice as large as Cleveland. It all depends on the character of the city as a whole, size of population being only one factor.

[Bluefox]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

Like 30-40% of Chicago is declined or somewhat "ghetto" and generally filthy. If anything, this is pretty representative of the city. You can't discount the bad areas of Chicago when judging the city's overall cleanliness. NYC has bad areas too, of course, but not abandoned, empty areas.

Your argument doesn't make sense. If an area is abandoned and empty, it may look bombed out and neglected, but not necessarily filthy. It takes humans to produce waste, and if people don't live somewhere, there isn't filth to produce.

No way. I honestly have no clue how someone would come to this conclusion.

Here is Broadway/Belmont, a "rich" area. Take a look around and tell me this area is "clean". I see plenty of garbage when panning around.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/W+...!4d-87.6444035

Then compare to my current neighborhood, in Brooklyn.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/7t...!4d-73.9763295


I don't know how anyone could honestly claim this area is dirtier. Both are socioeconomically similar, BTW, and the Brooklyn neighborhood is much busier. Where is this alleged "dirtiness"?

Are you kidding me? I see a pristine intersection on on Belmont and Broadway. I see a pile of crap on the western part of Berkeley Street in your streetview of Brooklyn. 175 N Berkeley. And a bunch of **** right in the middle of the intersection. It's plain to see.

[prhill]

Originally Posted by Bluefox

Your argument doesn't make sense. If an area is abandoned and empty, it may look bombed out and neglected, but not necessarily filthy. It takes humans to produce waste, and if people don't live somewhere, there isn't filth to produce.


Are you kidding me? I see a pristine intersection on on Belmont and Broadway. I see a pile of crap on the western part of Berkeley Street in your streetview of Brooklyn. 175 N Berkeley. And a bunch of **** right in the middle of the intersection. It's plain to see.

Belmont and Broadway is the Lakeview east area, that is always a very nice area