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Yeah, its a great verse ... And it pretty much explains the reason why some people cannot understand that God does in fact love all people, including those who do not yet love him.
Thanks for pointing me to it. The whole chapter and following chapter is quite illuminating.
Do people realize the significance of this?
The psalmist was not seeing everything clearly - they were looking through a veil, where it appears that God hates sinners, but the truth is God teaches us to love our enemies, just as God does.
The only 'hate' of sinners that God has is used to bring the sinner about to repentance, for it is God's kindness that leads people to repent and bring them to a knowledge of the truth.
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Why would God create something He hates? The something He hates is temporary and is necessary to bring about the greater good and the complete knowledge of the truth.
The same thing perplexes me. But whenever I read the OT I am overwhelmed with descriptions of God's wrathfulness, his anger...constant negative emotions. It's almost like the Hebrews were driven insane with their need to be righteous.
Which is why I believe their understanding of God is very much through their own human understanding. Jesus did reveal another side of God, and I believe alot of the statements of condemnation in the Bible have a deeper meaning.
What I see is that the word "hate" that is used from the OT is H8130 which to me does not necessarily mean hate, it can be about opposition, and loving less (not favoured).
Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.
Gen 29:31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
What is more perplexing is why people continually ask "Why would God create something He hates?" instead of the true question is:
"Why would the created that refuse to repent expect preferential treatment and be allowed enterance into heaven like the believer? "
The answer to understanding this TS is, the only reason any of us repent is because of Him .We who believe were granted the unconditional preferential treatment of His goodness that led us to believe and to repentance.
The same thing perplexes me. But whenever I read the OT I am overwhelmed with descriptions of God's wrathfulness, his anger...constant negative emotions. It's almost like the Hebrews were driven insane with their need to be righteous.
Which is why I believe their understanding of God is very much through their own human understanding. Jesus did reveal another side of God, and I believe alot of the statements of condemnation in the Bible have a deeper meaning.
Indeed ... Many Christians simply do not understand that because of the law Israel was under constant condemnation and thus unable to draw near to God, as Paul clearly states is the case when he says ...
Rom 7:5
for when we were in the flesh, the passions of the sins, that are through the law, were working in our members, to bear fruit to the death;
1Cr 15:56
and the sting of the death is the sin, and the power of the sin the law
Rom 8:2
for the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus did set me free from the law of the sin and of the death
And thus we also see the author of Hebrews write ...
Hbr 7:11-18
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. For it is witnessed of him,
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God
Peace ...
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Indeed ... Many Christians simply do not understand that because of the law Israel was under constant condemnation and thus unable to draw near to God, as Paul clearly states is the case when he says ...
Rom 7:5
for when we were in the flesh, the passions of the sins, that are through the law, were working in our members, to bear fruit to the death;
1Cr 15:56
and the sting of the death is the sin, and the power of the sin the law
Rom 8:2
for the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus did set me free from the law of the sin and of the death
And thus we also see the author of Hebrews write ...
Hbr 7:11-18
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, 16who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. For it is witnessed of him,
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God
Peace ...
Great post Ironmaw and a post that all believers regardless of their persuasion should be able to agree on.
But the unbelievers do NOT expect to go to heaven -- they do not believe
I agree!
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True!!
