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He embraces us because only He can save us to begin with. We cannot manufacture belief or faith. He must give us a new heart in order to be saved. The one we have is not sufficient. But He doesn't just take us in because we acknowledge that He loves us.
Remember the doctrine of the Nicolaitans was to believe one can be saved without actually conforming to the image of Christ.
6. “This thou hast also, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes.”] But because thou thyself hatest those who hold the doctrines of the Nicolaitanes, thou expectest praise. Moreover, to hate the works of the Nicolaitanes, which He Himself also hated, this tends to praise. But the works of the Nicolaitanes were in that time false and troublesome men, who, as ministers under the name of Nicolaus, had made for themselves a heresy, to the effect that what had been offered to idols might be exorcised and eaten, and that whoever should have committed fornication might receive peace on the eighth day. Therefore He extols those to whom He is writing; and to these men, being such and so great, He promised the tree of life, which is in the paradise of His God.
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Thus, says He, ye have among you those who hold such doctrine; and under the pretext of mercy, you would corrupt others.
I tell you there are SO MANY UNIVERSALIST that are preaching the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans. They preach that as long as God is going to save everyone do as you desire.
We cannot continue to fornicate with this world and expect to receive the next. We must give up this world in order to be saved. Thankfully God will have that happen. But until such time, as long as one is still acknowleding God and continuing in sinful practices - they deceiving only themselves.
I have never read of any universalist preaching do as you desire.
He embraces us because only He can save us to begin with. We cannot manufacture belief or faith. He must give us a new heart in order to be saved. The one we have is not sufficient. But He doesn't just take us in because we acknowledge that He loves us.
Remember the doctrine of the Nicolaitans was to believe one can be saved without actually conforming to the image of Christ.
6. “This thou hast also, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes.”] But because thou thyself hatest those who hold the doctrines of the Nicolaitanes, thou expectest praise. Moreover, to hate the works of the Nicolaitanes, which He Himself also hated, this tends to praise. But the works of the Nicolaitanes were in that time false and troublesome men, who, as ministers under the name of Nicolaus, had made for themselves a heresy, to the effect that what had been offered to idols might be exorcised and eaten, and that whoever should have committed fornication might receive peace on the eighth day. Therefore He extols those to whom He is writing; and to these men, being such and so great, He promised the tree of life, which is in the paradise of His God.
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Thus, says He, ye have among you those who hold such doctrine; and under the pretext of mercy, you would corrupt others.
I tell you there are SO MANY UNIVERSALIST that are preaching the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans. They preach that as long as God is going to save everyone do as you desire.
We cannot continue to fornicate with this world and expect to receive the next. We must give up this world in order to be saved. Thankfully God will have that happen. But until such time, as long as one is still acknowleding God and continuing in sinful practices - they deceiving only themselves.
Hi trettep,
It's all up to Him, not us. I agree with you on this. Just as I agree with you that He is the One who controls all things, including what can or cannot come upon us all, whether earthquakes, storms, wars or other. I would say that the "stink" of Adam is still around us, and still causing problems in people and in the creation; but only He lets it happen, and will remove it completely in His time, when the Sons of God are manifested more fully.
My point about Love, is that it is precisely His Love and Goodness that draw us to Him; at least that has been my own experience. Not a deep feeling of guilt for sin, or fear of hell; no, it was God's Love and Kindness to me that drew me to Him.
Avoid Sin.....Jesus said those who Love me Obey me...And those who obey me are wise......Sin leads to Death....If you do sin: Turn Again in Repentance to Jesus Christ for forgiveness... a contrite heart He will not despise... He will enable you to resist temptation....Ask Him to instill a "true desire" to be obedient to Him......If we continually sin without remorse we must indeed question our salvation...Jesus said you will know them by their fruit.......You must be "Born Again"
In order to believe UR you need to ignore most of scripture. Fear of sin, I have no fear but I do have respect for God and what He is capable of. I sin just like everyone else but I acknowledge such things and take them to God not ignore them as if they never happen. The Spirit convicts us of sin if we are truly of God. The Spirit also guides us and our understanding of scripture and as I said at the begining of this responce UR ignores much of scripture while the Spirit makes sence of the difficult parts. If you are not convicted of the Spirit then you need to check your salvation and being convicted of the Spirit is not a bad thing as so many like to claim it is just another blessing from God and shows that He is at work in us.
In order to believe UR you need to ignore most of scripture. Fear of sin, I have no fear but I do have respect for God and what He is capable of. I sin just like everyone else but I acknowledge such things and take them to God not ignore them as if they never happen. The Spirit convicts us of sin if we are truly of God. The Spirit also guides us and our understanding of scripture and as I said at the begining of this responce UR ignores much of scripture while the Spirit makes sence of the difficult parts. If you are not convicted of the Spirit then you need to check your salvation and being convicted of the Spirit is not a bad thing as so many like to claim it is just another blessing from God and shows that He is at work in us.
I believe in UR, and I never ignore scripture!
I can say, however, that when I began believing in ET, that my heart grew cold and judgmental of others. That is also a true statement; I lie not.
So by looking at the fruit that was coming from my heart, I was able to learn how what I believed was affecting me, and whether or not what I believed was Christ-like or not. And ET was causing me to become quite un-Christ-like.
On the other hand, receiving the Good News of Salvation through Jesus Christ, which has come to ALL men, has given me a joy in my heart that no man can take away. The Joy in seeing the Love of God to all mankind is a Joy that has led me to wanting to share it with everyone!
Can evil ever be good?
Can good ever be evil?
No; they cannot. If something is evil, it is always evil. No matter who does it.
And if someone does good, they are doing what is righteous.
I used to believe that unbelievers who did good were simply "filthy rags." But now the Lord is showing me that it is His Christ within us that has made us clean, and if a man feels conviction in his heart to do right, he will be rewarded.
We must see Christ in every man. Present every man and woman perfect in Christ Jesus.
In order to believe UR you need to ignore most of scripture. Fear of sin, I have no fear but I do have respect for God and what He is capable of. I sin just like everyone else but I acknowledge such things and take them to God not ignore them as if they never happen. The Spirit convicts us of sin if we are truly of God. The Spirit also guides us and our understanding of scripture and as I said at the begining of this responce UR ignores much of scripture while the Spirit makes sence of the difficult parts. If you are not convicted of the Spirit then you need to check your salvation and being convicted of the Spirit is not a bad thing as so many like to claim it is just another blessing from God and shows that He is at work in us.
If you have the Holy Spirit then sin is no longer a problem. For by the Spirit anyone can overcome ALL sin.
I can say, however, that when I began believing in ET, that my heart grew cold and judgmental of others. That is also a true statement; I lie not.
So by looking at the fruit that was coming from my heart, I was able to learn how what I believed was affecting me, and whether or not what I believed was Christ-like or not. And ET was causing me to become quite un-Christ-like.
On the other hand, receiving the Good News of Salvation through Jesus Christ, which has come to ALL men, has given me a joy in my heart that no man can take away. The Joy in seeing the Love of God to all mankind is a Joy that has led me to wanting to share it with everyone!
Can evil ever be good?
Can good ever be evil?
No; they cannot. If something is evil, it is always evil. No matter who does it.
And if someone does good, they are doing what is righteous.
I used to believe that unbelievers who did good were simply "filthy rags." But now the Lord is showing me that it is His Christ within us that has made us clean, and if a man feels conviction in his heart to do right, he will be rewarded.
We must see Christ in every man. Present every man and woman perfect in Christ Jesus.
Blessings Robin,
Brian
Was it ALWAYS Evil when Joseph was left in the pit?
I tell you there are SO MANY UNIVERSALIST that are preaching the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans. They preach that as long as God is going to save everyone do as you desire.
That's how it comes across from pretty much all universalists.
That's how it comes across from pretty much all universalists.
It's sad Finn_Jarber, but not by this one. I'm still a universalist but I have been reading several posts lately where I see that many just don't get it.
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