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Finn you have had a change in heart to believe that God can speak to us by the Spirit, i have never read of anything by you that would come close to you admitting or believing that, so i apologize if you think i rushed into disagreeing with you.Although i do believe when you are saying our daily bread you are referring to the bible and not God speaking directly to us.If you can reference yourself saying otherwise i will take it back.
I have never come even close to saying otherwise, so no, there has not been a change it heart. As a matter of fact I have always said the Spirit is in us and helps us understand the matters of God. It helps us understand the scriptures, it makes us sensitive to sin, and it will instruct us in life decisions. All this is spirit speaking to us.
I don't care if you take it back or not. If someone needs to prove something, it is you who needs to show a post of mine where I say that the spirit does not work in us. The whole argument was created by the UR crowd and then inserted into the mouths of others. The only thing people are arguing here is the Bible being the word of God (or not), and the URs apparently do not believe so, and they insist that is the same as saying that the Spirit does not work in people. Personally I have not heard any believer make that argument, I have heard it some from UR posters only. I have mentioned a number of times that the Spirit and the Bible are NOT mutually exclusive, because both 'speak' to us.
So, does believing in Jesus = Personal relationship?
Yes, of course it does. Being a believer is same as having a personal relationship with Him, not just admitting that God exists, since even demons believe that. I added the verse where Jesus knocks on the door and the man answers and opens the door and lets Him in. Jesus comes in and they eat together like family. It is even a better description of having a relationship.
Do you not agree you can have a personal relationship with the Lord?
Yes, of course it does. Being a believer is same as having a personal relationship with Him, not just admitting that God exists, since even demons believe that. I added the verse where Jesus knocks on the door and the man answers and opens the door and lets Him in. Jesus comes in and they eat together like family. It is even a better description of having a relationship.
Do you not agree you can have a personal relationship with the Lord?
Of course, those born of the Spirit DO have a spiritual relationship with Christ. We are in-fact united to Him. That is scriptural.
What I'm asking is whether you believe it is that relationship that saved and/or saves you.
I have never come even close to saying otherwise, so no, there has not been a change it heart. As a matter of fact I have always said the Spirit is in us and helps us understand the matters of God. It helps us understand the scriptures, it makes us sensitive to sin, and it will instruct us in life decisions. All this is spirit speaking to us.
I don't care if you take it back or not. If someone needs to prove something, it is you who needs to show a post of mine where I say that the spirit does not work in us. The whole argument was created by the UR crowd and then inserted into the mouths of others. The only thing people are arguing here is the Bible being the word of God (or not), and the URs apparently do not believe so, and they insist that is the same as saying that the Spirit does not work in people. Personally I have not heard any believer make that argument, I have heard it some from UR posters only. I have mentioned a number of times that the Spirit and the Bible are NOT mutually exclusive, because both 'speak' to us.
What makes you assume we live in trailers? And so what if we did? Do you look down on people who can't afford to live in a real house?
PS: I asked if you were both sitting in a trailer together, not living in one. No need to be offended by that...You guys are really agitated today...lol
Finn . . . I am sincerely trying to understand the basis of your personal convictions about the character of Jesus. I have explained where my conviction and certainty comes from . . . personal experience and a long (40+year) relationship in deep meditation. I truly cannot understand how someone who sincerely has developed a personal relationship with Jesus in his heart and mind could possibly believe what you do about His character. I couldn't be more sincere in asking nor more puzzled by it. To repeat my request:
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I guess I wasn't clear . . . it was a deeply sincere (and vexing) question seeking more detail on your personal encounters that seem to have produced such a profoundly different impression of Him from my experience in deep meditation. How have you met Him? What about the encounter provided you with such conviction about His character? I am truly and sincerely baffled by this and am not trying to be provocative or critical. I am unable to reconcile my experiences of God's consciousness with your acceptance of beliefs about Him that contradict them so profoundly. Please stop viewing my posts defensively or negatively . . . I am truly baffled by this and sincerely want to know what the basis for YOUR personal convictions are.
Finn . . . I am sincerely trying to understand the basis of your personal convictions about the character of Jesus. I have explained where my conviction and certainty comes from . . . personal experience and a long (40+year) relationship in deep meditation. I truly cannot understand how someone who sincerely has developed a personal relationship with Jesus in his heart and mind could possibly believe what you do about His character. I couldn't be more sincere in asking nor more puzzled by it. To repeat my request:
Oh, it comes directly from Jesus. Praise the Lord!!! Thanks for asking (questioning/doubting).
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