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Jesus blood shed was in order to sanctifiy the people, those people he shed His blood for heb 13:
12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Those Jesus christ died for, it ensures them, the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the belief of the Truth 2 thess 2:
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
He prays for this very blessing right here Jn 17:
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. [ see heb 13:12]
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
This applies to all future believers, for Jesus says which shall believe !
Thats a promise that they shall believe, because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in them.
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
And so the promise to Abraham will be fulfilled:
Gen 28:14 Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.
Christ's "people" are the descendants of Abraham, yet it is those people whom through all people on the earth will be blessed.
Psalm 22:27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him, ...
And so we know:
1 Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
This is the mystery of God's plan, the mystery of His will. He tells us it is so, but few can believe it: (Amplified version for crystal clarity)
Ephesians 1:9 Making known to us the mystery (secret) of His will (of His plan, of His purpose). [And it is this:] In accordance with His good pleasure (His merciful intention) which He had previously purposed and set forth in Him,
10[He planned] for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages to unify all things and head them up and consummate them in Christ, [both] things in heaven and things on the earth.
And we see the mystery explained here as well:
Romans 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved.
All Israel will be saved because all will be saved. Israel was hardened so that they would experience mercy later, in the same way we all have been hardened so we can experience mercy.
Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
This is all good news that brings great joy for all people just like the angels said in Luke 2:10!
Wonderful news!
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
If He wanted to, then He would have. God created some people as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. Rom 9:
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Yes, indeed God has made many vessels of wrath fitted to destruction. But it does not mean the thing that was formed shall not be reformed.
Saul was fitted to destruction, yet he was saved and became the great apostle Paul. Saul = destroyed. Paul = new creation.
In the end all Israel will be saved, but not before the full number of gentiles. So we can see that God has bound ALL over to disobedience so He can have mercy on ALL.
The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification for those who He died Jn 17:
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.
2 Thess 2:
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.
This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.
BTW, all will not believe the Truth but God will be sending them a strong delusion to believe a lie ! Look at 2 Thess 2:
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So, Christ death accomplished nothing for these,so Christ did not die for those who shall be damned, who believed not the Truth. This is in contrast to those God chose to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth in vs 13
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Thats not true, but an assumption, for Paul was a vessel of mercy Rom 9:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Paul identifies with the us whom God called who were of the vessels of mercy which God had afore prepared unto Glory.
This same Glory was ordained for paul and other vessels of mercy before the world 1 Cor 2:
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
So Paul was never a vessel of wrath, of those who are being fitted for destruction.. Paul received mercy for the Lord 1 Tim 1:
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Thats what it means to be a vessel of mercy to receive mercy for sin !
You should repent of your assumption because its contradicted by God's word !
The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification for those who He died Jn 17:
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.
2 Thess 2:
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.
This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.
BTW, all will not believe the Truth but God will be sending them a strong delusion to believe a lie ! Look at 2 Thess 2:
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So, Christ death accomplished nothing for these,so Christ did not die for those who shall be damned, who believed not the Truth. This is in contrast to those God chose to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth in vs 13
Your thesis fails here because Christ died for all:
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The error is understanding what 2 Thes 2:12 is really talking about. Some English bibles translate this as being "damned" or "condemned", but the correct meaning is judged. Its talking about God's righteous judgment that is for the purpose of correction and teaching righteousness. Here is a more accurate translation of 2 Thes 2:12 from YLT:
2 Thes 2:11 and because of this shall God send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie,
12 that they may be judged -- all who did not believe the truth, but were well pleased in the unrighteousness.
This verse cannot contradict the fact that Jesus died for all people. Therefore as you say, anyone who Jesus died for cannot be left unsaved - therefore all will be saved - which is precisely what God wills and desires:
1 Tim 2:4
[KJV] ...Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[NIV] ... Who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Your view as you have presented here appears to be extreme Calvinism which suggests God purposely created billions of people for the purpose of being tormented forever, and this would presumably be God's desire and bring Him much glory. God did not even want to save all people (in obvious contradiction with 1 Tim 2:4). Of course this extreme Calvinistic view is flawed and contradicts the very nature that God is love, love never fails, and love always protects.
It is necessary to understand the purpose of God's judgments. God's judgments ultimately serve to correct and teach and reconcile, and they serve this purpose very well.
14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify [cleanse see Eph 5::26] unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
A Peculiar People, not all people without exception. The word peculiar is the greek word periousios:
that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
a) a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession
So this redemption is not for all people without exception, but a People He selected out from the world.. Just like He selected the Nation of Israel from amongst other nations to be His own people..
The Atonement of Christ has been successful, and has accomplished that what God intended.
It was for redemption from all iniquity [ to include unbelief] and purification from all sin and unrighteousness. For that was the Divine Purpose for which Christ gave Himself for His People [ church], in order that they should be Holy and blameless before God in Love, unto which cause God chose and predestinated them, that they should be conformed to the Holy Image of His Son, hence it was not possible for not one sin to be committed, which was outside of the counsel and purpose of God, and for which Christ did not give Himself for as an Offering, and make a full and perfect Atonement.
24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
The healing [ Spiritually] is the sure effect and benefit of His stripes [ or atonement], and His death in His own body on the Tree for sins of His church, His elect, His sheep, without fail secures and ensures their death to sin, and their being made alive to righteousness, even the righteousness of Faith.
Many today really do not understand the power of Christ death and it's accomplishments.
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It ensures belief of the Truth
