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If anyone Christ died for perish in their sins, then The Pleasure of the Lord did not prosper in His Hand, neither was His intercession effective in sending intervention in the Lives for whom He died and God wanted saved..
Jesus did not fail. He succeeded in doing exactly what He set out to do. But who among us can truly do what He requires? Taking up the cross of Christ is not intended to be easy yet it what Jesus requires.
If anyone Christ died for perish in their sins, then The Pleasure of the Lord did not prosper in His Hand, neither was His intercession effective in sending intervention in the Lives for whom He died and God wanted saved..
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
So Jesus failed then?
No Kat . . . He saved all He intended to save . . . like SBSG. After all . . . He only came to save the Elect . . . the righteous believers . . . not those unbelieving sinners and ne'er-do-wells.
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
One of the many blessings that Christ death secured for all them He died for is His Present Intercession for them to God premised solely upon His Blood shed for them..
All that Christ died for would be born in sin, but God would have to deliver them all, and this is ensured by Christ being in Heaven making intercession for them.
Remember, He gave Himself for us [ The Elect] in order that He would deliver us from this present evil world according to Gods will Gal 1:
4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
To their shame, many today do not believe that Christ Intercession is effective, in that they believe, many for whom Christ gave himself for, and is now presently interceding for, will yet perish in their sins..how frightening..
What they fail to realize, is that Christ Intercession ensures for every sinner He died for, a Divine Intervention in their lives delivering them from sin and converting them unto God..
This was vividly demonstrated in the intervention in the Life of the Apostle Paul when he was on the road to Damascus.
The effects of the Intercession of Christ for those He died is bringing them to God by Him Heb 7:
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Their coming to God is evidence of He having saved them to the uttermost and His Intercession for them..
So, for you who believe that there are some to perish in their sins for whom Christ died and rose, you discredit the value of His redeeming blood, and His Intercession is uneffectual..because of your insistence that mans freewill determines these outcomes..
Another popular fable in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.
The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per John 10:
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Eph 5:
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
His People Isa 53:
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21
Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No
Are all without exception His Church ? No
Are all without exception His People ? No
For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.
So why does the religious world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a fable.
And going to accumulate scriptures with the terms : All, Every, World, whole World and etc, does not help their case, because all those words are just describing the totality of those He did die for.
I believe you are misunderstanding what Jesus died for. He didn't die for anyone nor did He die for anyones sins. He died because He stood by God and represented God and all Truth, Beauty and Goodness. He did that for ALL mankind to show that each and every one of us can do the same. Each one of us has the power to do what Jesus taught throughout His life and become At-One with God. Believing that Jesus died for all or just a few is detrimental to the spiritual self. When you wake up in the spirit world with all your sins still attached to be gotten rid of, then you'll need to reconsider what you have been taught and what you are teaching others. Such a shame that the worship of a man has taken you so far from God and His Truths. I'm not talking about what you consider to be truth that is contained in the bible but the Truths of God that we all can know through our own fragment of God that is within us. Jesus said to look within otherwise you will never find God.
I believe you are misunderstanding what Jesus died for. He didn't die for anyone nor did He die for anyones sins. He died because He stood by God and represented God and all Truth, Beauty and Goodness. He did that for ALL mankind to show that each and every one of us can do the same. Each one of us has the power to do what Jesus taught throughout His life and become At-One with God. Believing that Jesus died for all or just a few is detrimental to the spiritual self. When you wake up in the spirit world with all your sins still attached to be gotten rid of, then you'll need to reconsider what you have been taught and what you are teaching others. Such a shame that the worship of a man has taken you so far from God and His Truths. I'm not talking about what you consider to be truth that is contained in the bible but the Truths of God that we all can know through our own fragment of God that is within us. Jesus said to look within otherwise you will never find God.
Well stated...
My fave part: He died because He stood by God and represented God and all Truth, Beauty and Goodness. He did that for ALL mankind to show that each and every one of us can do the same.
My fave part:He died because He stood by God and represented God and all Truth, Beauty and Goodness. He did that for ALL mankind to show that each and every one of us can do the same.
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen . . . we can't let the fundies be the only ones to throw around the Amens!!!
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen . . . we can't let the fundies be the only ones to throw around the Amens!!!
Ok then... Amen times infinity...
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