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Come on Finn . . . you cannot reject or accept what you have never heard of . . . read the OP. He has already saved ALL of us anyway . . . you are concerned about "precepts and doctrines of men." As long as we "love God and each other" there is no need to figure out the rest of the nonsense promulgated by religions. The dogma is nothing but human vanity and hubris..
Has He really saved us all ALREADY? Isn't that really a false statement?
Has He really saved us all ALREADY? Isn't that really a false statement?
Well, that statement is not false according to Paul...Paul tells us that we (or us) were saved prior to even being born on earth, and that this salvation (or being "saved") was given to us "in Christ", in a previous age:
2Ti 1:9 who did save us, and did call with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, that was given to us in Christ Jesus, before the times of the ages,
It's kind of startling to read that verse. Think about that for a moment. Paul, as Saul, was putting people to death for confessing Jesus' name. And yet, Saul actually had God's grace, that grace given to him in Christ, even while being Christ's enemy during those years of his own unbelief.
Saul was subjectively Christ's enemy, but objectively loved by God, and in Christ.
That is an amazing scripture. Praise God for that . I'll sleep better tonight, just thinking about that one .
If god doesnt abide by time then it is true. It is done. Where on the timeline the start and end are we cannot see in our time. Right?
Maybe I should start another thread.
Sure start another thread. Something tells me thatI read in the news how people are still killing others. That tells me there is sin. As I understand it, if there is sinners still practicing sin then that means they are NOT saved. I'm a universalist but anyone that believe that people are all saved right now haven't understood the scriptures.
Well, that statement is not false according to Paul...Paul tells us that we (or us) were saved prior to even being born on earth, and that this salvation (or being "saved") was given to us "in Christ", in a previous age:
2Ti 1:9 who did save us, and did call with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, that was given to us in Christ Jesus, before the times of the ages,
It's kind of startling to read that verse. Think about that for a moment. Paul, as Saul, was putting people to death for confessing Jesus' name. And yet, Saul actually had God's grace, that grace given to him in Christ, even while being Christ's enemy during those years of his own unbelief.
Saul was subjectively Christ's enemy, but objectively loved by God, and in Christ.
That is an amazing scripture. Praise God for that . I'll sleep better tonight, just thinking about that one .
It truly is amazing!! Amazing doesn't even begin to describe the Father. Awesome, we need some new superlatives to describe His love and purpose in creation, imho!!
Sure start another thread. Something tells me thatI read in the news how people are still killing others. That tells me there is sin. As I understand it, if there is sinners still practicing sin then that means they are NOT saved. I'm a universalist but anyone that believe that people are all saved right now haven't understood the scriptures.
To god what does timing matter? To him it occured that's all that matters. Right?
To god what does timing matter? To him it occured that's all that matters. Right?
I believe as God is, Time is.. So does time matter, not at all.. I only means that if time happened then whatever happened in time is as God decided it should be.
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