Supersessionism

[mordant]

A part of supersessionist thinking is that many OT passages prophecy concerning the Messiah and that Jesus was that Messiah. These are all very much a case of post hoc rationalization and confirmation bias -- or in simpler terms, seeing what you want or need to see in those passages.

[1689dave]

Originally Posted by Michael Way

The first temple (a house for my name) was destroyed in 587-86 BCE. The second temple was destroyed in AD 70 and there is no temple today. It has not been rebuilt. Nor is there any descendent of David currently sitting on the throne of David. Jesus is currently seated on the Father's throne, not on the throne of David. The Millennial or Messianic kingdom is not yet in existence. The kingdom will be a time of universal peace when war will be learned no more. That simply cannot be said about the world today.

There is no millennium David's Throne is God's Throne. “Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.” 1 Chronicles 29:23 (KJV 1900)

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by 1689dave

There is no millennium David's Throne is God's Throne. “Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.” 1 Chronicles 29:23 (KJV 1900)

You again talk about things of which you know nothing. And you are so frigging dogmatic about it.

[1689dave]

Originally Posted by Michael Way

You again talk about things of which you know nothing. And you are so frigging dogmatic about it.

Or you know very little about what I speak of. The early Church creeds are against you in Eschatology and that alone speaks volumes. They point out the heresies for us.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by 1689dave

Or you know very little about what I speak of. The early Church creeds are against you in Eschatology and that alone speaks volumes. They point out the heresies for us.

I've already pointed out to you and have given examples of early church fathers who held to pre-millennialism. The views of the Roman Catholic church notwithstanding. The Bible speaks of a future kingdom on the earth in which the Lord (Jesus) will rule on the throne of David IN JERUSALEM (not heaven).

You simply don't know what you are talking about and defer to the Roman Catholic church's stance on the matter. The only way one can dismiss the Old Testament's references to a future literal kingdom on the earth is by allegorizing what they say. But then you have to determine just what the allegory stands for.

Some people are amillennialists. That's you.

Others are post-millennialists.

Yet others are pre-millennialists. I am pre-millennial and I have stated why. I've told you. . .believe what you want. I stand by pre-millennialism.

[1689dave]

Originally Posted by Michael Way

I've already pointed out to you and have given examples of early church fathers who held to pre-millennialism. The views of the Roman Catholic church notwithstanding. The Bible speaks of a future kingdom on the earth in which the Lord (Jesus) will rule on the throne of David IN JERUSALEM (not heaven).

You simply don't know what you are talking about and defer to the Roman Catholic church's stance on the matter. The only way one can dismiss the Old Testament's references to a future literal kingdom on the earth is by allegorizing what they say. But then you have to determine just what the allegory stands for.

Some people are amillennialists. That's you.

Others are post-millennialists.

Yet others are pre-millennialists. I am pre-millennial and I have stated why. I've told you. . .believe what you want. I stand by pre-millennialism.

But the Church decided against them and labeled them as heretics.