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There is much more, there is 300 years of pagan Israel right up to the pagan Herod.
Christians should already know that they supposedly Christianized the high holy pagan days, and those days were Babylonian.
Only thing is, if the Christian claims to have Christianized the Babylonian holy days and traditions, he is falsley claiming that the ways of Baal teach of Jesus.
The Christian didnt Christianize anything, he converted to the religion of Baal keeping his Sabbath, his holy days, his traditions, his rituals.
The Christian is literally so brave as to try and teach Jeaus in the ways of Baal.
Exodus 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
God's Seventh Day begins at from sunset at the end of the sixth day and ends at sunset at the end of the seventh day. It is holy time. If you steal God's holy time for your own personal use you are sinning! It is made for you but you are not the Lord of the Sabbath, Christ is! And Christ kept God's Commandments, all Ten of the Ten Commandments.
True Christians are those who have come out of this world and do not take part in this world's governments, sports, entertainment, etc. They work and pay taxes and that is about it. A true Christian is set apart just like the seventh-day Sabbath. If you are part of this wicked world then you are not set apart, you are not sanctified and you will see no difference in God's Holy Sabbath. You will think it is a common day just like the other six and like you who has not been set apart from the rest of the world you cannot discern the holy from the profane! God has to call you to repentance before you can truly see the difference!
So, you, the ones who cannot see the difference, then I say take it on faith and obey God and pray that this nation will be spared the horrendous horrors that are going to result for our Sabbath-breaking and idol worship and all of our other sins!
Wake Up, America! It's time we turned to the true God and the true Christ! Christ kept the weekly Sabbath and the annual Sabbaths and true Christians will be doing the same! Again, Wake Up!
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Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser
Christianity has moved on from the sabbath and other holy days. It's you who needs to get a clue...........
I don't necessarily have a strong personal view on this topic but I do see professed Christians who, to quote you, Vf6, 'don't have a clue' as to what the Bible (their so-called 'go to source') has to say about the topic. They will militantly defend Sunday as their 'holy day' and make faithful weekly pilgrimages to their local church on Sunday but as soon as the 7th-day Sabbath is mentioned they simply don't want to hear about it.
They clearly hate the Bible Sabbath.
But they love the substitute 'holy day' that replaced the 7th-day Sabbath by the early Roman Catholic Church whose leader holds the title "God's representative on earth". The RCC has the divine authority to change 'times and laws' as it wills. And, while many Christians are most critical of the RCC they willingly submit to keeping the so-called 'holy day' that the RCC installed. You don't need to take my word for it. All one has to do is to read their Catechism. History will also tell us how the RCC replaced the 7th-day Sabbath with Sunday.
Moreover, Christians REQUIRE a Sabbath. And, that Sabbath is believed by most Christians to be Sunday. So, in their minds the Sabbath has not been abolished at all even though they give lip service (like parrots) that it has. In fact, to prove my point, ask most any Christian "Which day is the Sabbath?" and they will invariably answer, "Sunday."
If you have no law then you are lawless...Shabbat begins a half hour before sunset on Friday and ends a half hour after nightfall on Saturday...
Christians are under the law of the Christ Rick, you are very well correct about the day of the sabbath, many think it is Sunday. For consistency, we say from 6pm to 6pm rather than changing the time each week. Technically it is from dusk till dusk. Do you personally know anyone who has not violated it sir? I don't.
You are asking for proof that practicing the ways of Babylon are wrong. The ways of Jesus are the ways of Jerusalem, Messiah has his own Sabbath, and he has 7 feasts that teach of the messiah of Jerusalem.
Chriatians choose Babylon
The ways of Babylon have always been the reason for all seasons because we speak of two solsices. Nimrod, the grandson of Noah married his mother and the two built Babylon. When Nimeod died, his mother became pregnant by a miracle birth where Baal resurrects Nimrod, and Nimrod became the first resurrectedman in fulfilling the promise to Eve that her seed would conquer death.
All the nations celebrate Nimrod by.many names, as the ONE AND ONLY BABYLONIAN MESSIAH, Nimrod obtained the name, " Tammuz," and when Revelation speaks of Tammuz, it is where you dind the 666.
Tammuz has always been the Messiah of Babylon, and this name can NEVER CHANGE.
Jeremiah 10
Christmas
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
6Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
7Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
8But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
9Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.
Listen, that scripture is to the house Israel, not the house of Judah , Israel took on the Babylonian ways and God ended them specifically for that reason.
Some of Judah also began baking cakes to the queen of heaven in Easter, and decorating trees, and si after God ended the kingdom of Israel because of Babylonian ways, he then took the kingdom of Judah into Babylon BECAUSE MANY HAD TAKEN ON CHRISTMAS AND EASTER.
There in Babylon, God refined Jews of Judah in a way that they would no longer keep Easter or Christmas.
Easter
Jeremiah
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
There you go. You got nothing. All this writing, all the copy and paste and nothing mentions Christmas or Easter. Just your thoughts and rankings trying to make something out of nothing.
I don't necessarily have a strong personal view on this topic but I do see professed Christians who, to quote you, Vf6, 'don't have a clue' as to what the Bible (their so-called 'go to source') has to say about the topic. They will militantly defend Sunday as their 'holy day' and make faithful weekly pilgrimages to their local church on Sunday but as soon as the 7th-day Sabbath is mentioned they simply don't want to hear about it.
They clearly hate the Bible Sabbath.
But they love the substitute 'holy day' that replaced the 7th-day Sabbath by the early Roman Catholic Church whose leader holds the title "God's representative on earth". The RCC has the divine authority to change 'times and laws' as it wills. And, while many Christians are most critical of the RCC they willingly submit to keeping the so-called 'holy day' that the RCC installed. You don't need to take my word for it. All one has to do is to read their Catechism. History will also tell us how the RCC replaced the 7th-day Sabbath with Sunday.
Moreover, Christians REQUIRE a Sabbath. And, that Sabbath is believed by most Christians to be Sunday. So, in their minds the Sabbath has not been abolished at all even though they give lip service (like parrots) that it has. In fact, to prove my point, ask most any Christian "Which day is the Sabbath?" and they will invariably answer, "Sunday."
Romulus......Jesus moved on from the law which is weak and beggarly to grace. Grace is a much better deal..........
I don't necessarily have a strong personal view on this topic but I do see professed Christians who, to quote you, Vf6, 'don't have a clue' as to what the Bible (their so-called 'go to source') has to say about the topic. They will militantly defend Sunday as their 'holy day' and make faithful weekly pilgrimages to their local church on Sunday but as soon as the 7th-day Sabbath is mentioned they simply don't want to hear about it.
They clearly hate the Bible Sabbath.
But they love the substitute 'holy day' that replaced the 7th-day Sabbath by the early Roman Catholic Church whose leader holds the title "God's representative on earth". The RCC has the divine authority to change 'times and laws' as it wills. And, while many Christians are most critical of the RCC they willingly submit to keeping the so-called 'holy day' that the RCC installed. You don't need to take my word for it. All one has to do is to read their Catechism. History will also tell us how the RCC replaced the 7th-day Sabbath with Sunday.
Moreover, Christians REQUIRE a Sabbath. And, that Sabbath is believed by most Christians to be Sunday. So, in their minds the Sabbath has not been abolished at all even though they give lip service (like parrots) that it has. In fact, to prove my point, ask most any Christian "Which day is the Sabbath?" and they will invariably answer, "Sunday."
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Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser
Romulus......Jesus moved on from the law which is weak and beggarly to grace. Grace is a much better deal..........
'Grace' was always available to those of the Old Testament as well as those of the New Testament. It's not a 'new thing' that was specifically given to the Gentiles. The law never saved anyone but that didn't negate the idea that 'obedience' is necessarily a bad thing. We all 'follow the rules' or 'the law of the land' on a daily basis or at least we're supposed to. So what's the difference to following the rules as set out by 'a God' that we profess to worship? In fact, as long as one somehow feels oppressed by the commands of the God of the Bible then why carry a Bible at all if we believe none of it?
I realize that Christians believe themselves to be bigger than 'the law' but they are misguided as well as lazy. All most of them have to do is to mouth the words "I am a Christian" and to sit in a pew every week and pretend to be 'holy'. * And besides, they believe that they're keeping the Sabbath command any way every time they attend church on Sunday. To repeat what I said above ^ ...just ask them "which day is the Sabbath?" and they will invariably answer, "Sunday". Christians DO keep the law (the Sabbath) or at least they keep their version of it.
After Pentacost we have been instructed that it does not matter.
Romans 14:
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
'Grace' was always available to those of the Old Testament as well as those of the New Testament. It's not a 'new thing' that was specifically given to the Gentiles. The law never saved anyone but that didn't negate the idea that 'obedience' is necessarily a bad thing. We all 'follow the rules' or 'the law of the land' on a daily basis or at least we're supposed to. So what's the difference to following the rules as set out by 'a God' that we profess to worship? In fact, as long as one somehow feels oppressed by the commands of the God of the Bible then why carry a Bible at all if we believe none of it?
I realize that Christians believe themselves to be bigger than 'the law' but they are misguided as well as lazy. All most of them have to do is to mouth the words "I am a Christian" and to sit in a pew every week and pretend to be 'holy'. * And besides, they believe that they're keeping the Sabbath command any way every time they attend church on Sunday. To repeat what I said above ^ ...just ask them "which day is the Sabbath?" and they will invariably answer, "Sunday". Christians DO keep the law (the Sabbath) or at least they keep their version of it.
* So too do a great many SDAs.
Yes, Grace was always available, but the “mechanism” was still in the future, that is the cross. Since then, we acknowledge that by worshipping on Sunday.
Luke 4:16 - “And he (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.”
Did you miss that text? Why would you say that Jesus did not keep the Sabbath?
And then, as always (below), we're presented with verses from 'the new and improved Jesus (Paul) who mainstream Christianity misinterprets to support their own erroneous teaching that the Creation Sabbath was not only abrogated (impossible!) but that the Roman Catholic Church had more authority THAN the Creator and influenced the Protestant Churches to follow suit when THEY (the RCC) installed their OWN 'holy day' (Sunday).
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Originally Posted by Submariner
After Pentacost we have been instructed that it does not matter.
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Again, what?? Are you not aware that your 'new and improved Jesus' ALSO kept the Sabbath or did you miss those texts also?
Here they are:
“Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures” (Acts 17:2). It was the custom of Paul to worship on the Sabbath.[/b]
2-“But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.” “So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.” And “On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God” (Acts 13:14,42,44).[/b]
3-“And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there” (Acts 16:13).
4-“After these things Paul departed from Athens and went to Corinth. And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them. So, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and worked; for by occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” Acts (18:1-4).
The above passage tells us that Paul “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath.” But how long did he stay in Corinth? The Bible tells us, “And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them” (Act 18:8-11). The apostle was there every Sabbath for a year and six months. If we counted this period, it will would add up to 52 Sabbaths in a year plus 26 Sabbaths in the following six months which gives us a total of 78 Sabbaths.
The ^ hardly fits your description, Submariner, that this man (Paul) would EVEN THINK to say that the Sabbath doesn't matter. The only reason that most mainstream Christians resort to jumping through hoops when discussing the Sabbath is because such a serious 'whoops' made by BY the mainstream church cannot now be corrected any other way other than by throwing out misinterpretations of scripture in the hope that others will fall for it. Admittedly, they DO stop short of saying, "Toss out your Bibles because there's nothing in it of any value."
'Grace' was always available to those of the Old Testament as well as those of the New Testament. It's not a 'new thing' that was specifically given to the Gentiles. The law never saved anyone but that didn't negate the idea that 'obedience' is necessarily a bad thing. We all 'follow the rules' or 'the law of the land' on a daily basis or at least we're supposed to. So what's the difference to following the rules as set out by 'a God' that we profess to worship? In fact, as long as one somehow feels oppressed by the commands of the God of the Bible then why carry a Bible at all if we believe none of it?
I realize that Christians believe themselves to be bigger than 'the law' but they are misguided as well as lazy. All most of them have to do is to mouth the words "I am a Christian" and to sit in a pew every week and pretend to be 'holy'. * And besides, they believe that they're keeping the Sabbath command any way every time they attend church on Sunday. To repeat what I said above ^ ...just ask them "which day is the Sabbath?" and they will invariably answer, "Sunday". Christians DO keep the law (the Sabbath) or at least they keep their version of it.
* So too do a great many SDAs.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Yes, Grace was always available, but the “mechanism” was still in the future, that is the cross. Since then, we acknowledge that by worshipping on Sunday.
The law is only to point out sin.
There appears to be little reasoning skills being applied on this thread topic as long as 'the Bible' still holds any authority for professed Christians. We know that Jesus kept the 7th-day Sabbath as was His custom. We know that Paul (the 'new and improved Jesus') also kept the 7th-day Sabbath as was His custom.
So, what WAS the PURPOSE behind the 7th-day Sabbath that Jesus and Paul customarily kept? Was it in honor of Jesus' future death and resurrection as most Christians claim it to be (Sunday?)
Seriously? This belief doesn't make a lick of sense, now does it? No, of course the weekly 7th-day Sabbath had no connection to Jesus' death and resurrection.
It hadn't happened yet!
The 7th-day Sabbath as kept by Jesus, Paul and the rest of the Jewish nation was in honor of the completion of Creation where God rested from His work and blessed and sanctified that particular day. NO ONE can change what has already been set into stone whether it be Paul or God Himself!
Um, correction ^^ ...the RCC CAN do this and history tells us that this IS what happened!!
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