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"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment"
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First we read this in Revelation 14:
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
An angel gives the warning. Seems like a nasty fate. For ever and ever, no less. Yikes!
Then we read in Revelation 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the [books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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I just don't see how these poor folk get a second chance after death. This is called the second death. And we are talking about the Lake O' Fire. Now I will concede, it does say that Hades gave up its dead as well as the sea. No mention of Hell.
So what I see is that there is no second chance for the unsaved dead (contrary to UR teaching). There names were not in the book of life. As you know, one's name is entered in the book of live when one accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior. So do it today! Don't wait, because when you pass on it is too late.
Have a nice afternoon or evening!
(Quotes from the NASB)
Revelation 22:14-17
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Who are these people outside the gates of the city?
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
What right do those people have that are outside the gates of the city?
They have the right to the tree of life
They have the right to enter into the city via the gates.
What gives them these rights?
The keeping of His commandments
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
Whom are the spirit and the bride saying come to?
Whosoever will
What do whosoever get?
And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The water of life freely.
Who is the whosoever in reference to?
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
When does all this take place?
After the judgment of the great white throne.
These scriptures show most emphatically that WHOSOEVER will is in relation to those in DEATH and that those in DEATH still have the right to the tree of life and can enter into the gates of the city when they learn to keep His commandments.
This is an astonishing statement, Mike. You don't know that it is because of God's great love that he saves us? That's what it's all about, my friend. There is no righteousness of God separate from his love. God's love is the highest virtue in the universe. It is his glory. There is nothing glorious about "un-lovingness". The devil is the one who hates. Jesus said Satan was a murderer from the beginning. To assign God the characteristics of Satan and to cling to that is, in my opinion, nothing short of blasphemy. Whether those locked into that can escape it in this life, I do not know - perhaps not.
As I said, God's love is what MOTIVATED God to provide salvation, but it was God's justice which made salvation possible. God's love didn't accomplish that salvation, His justice did by means of judicially imputing our personal sins to Jesus as He hung on the cross where He paid the penalty for them, thereby satisfying the righteous demands of the Father. But man must also have the same righteousness as God has in order to enter into an eternal relationship with Him. And so God imputes His own righteousness to those, and only to those who place their faith in Christ. Everyone who dies without coming to Christ for salvation remains under condemnation forever.
God's love can only bless. But God's justice can both bless and condemn. It was His justice which condemned Adam and the entire human race, and it was His justice which provided the mechanics of salvation. Love was simply the motivating factor for which reason God made salvation possible . It was not the means of accomplishing it.
God is love, and yet He condemned man on account of Sin. God is love and yet He leaves in condemnation all who do not come to Christ for eternal life. Just as God must be faithful to the fact that He is love, He must also be faithful to the fact that He is infinitely holy and must enact penalty for transgression against His holiness.
The belief that because God is love He therefore won't send anyone to the lake of fire forever impugns the character of God by ignoring His faithfulness to His perfect righteousness. It is quite likely that Satan made a similiar statement when God sentenced him to the lake of fire forever. That sentence by the way has not yet been carried out, but will be at the end of the Millennium. And it is at the end of the Millennium when all unbelievers will begin their eternal stay in the lake of fire. The beast and the false prophet however will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.
This idea that because God is love He will save everyone is the vain imaginings of those who who care nothing about what God has revealed about the matter, and who have
As I said, God's love is what MOTIVATED God to provide salvation, but it was God's justice which made salvation possible. God's love didn't accomplish that salvation, His justice did by means of judicially imputing our personal sins to Jesus as He hung on the cross where He paid the penalty for them, thereby satisfying the righteous demands of the Father. But man must also have the same righteousness as God has in order to enter into an eternal relationship with Him. And so God imputes His own righteousness to those, and only to those who place their faith in Christ. Everyone who dies without coming to Christ for salvation remains under condemnation forever.
God's love can only bless. But God's justice can both bless and condemn. It was His justice which condemned Adam and the entire human race, and it was His justice which provided the mechanics of salvation. Love was simply the motivating factor for which reason God made salvation possible . It was not the means of accomplishing it.
God is love, and yet He condemned man on account of Sin. God is love and yet He leaves in condemnation all who do not come to Christ for eternal life. Just as God must be faithful to the fact that He is love, He must also be faithful to the fact that He is infinitely holy and must enact penalty for transgression against His holiness.
The belief that because God is love He therefore won't send anyone to the lake of fire forever impugns the character of God by ignoring His faithfulness to His perfect righteousness. It is quite likely that Satan made a similiar statement when God sentenced him to the lake of fire forever. That sentence by the way has not yet been carried out, but will be at the end of the Millennium. And it is at the end of the Millennium when all unbelievers will begin their eternal stay in the lake of fire. The beast and the false prophet however will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.
This idea that because God is love He will save everyone is the vain imaginings of those who who care nothing about what God has revealed about the matter, and who have
Right Pleroo . He also did not condemn man on account of sin either . The scipture says He condemned sin in the flesh.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, condemned sin in the flesh Romans 8:3
Because sin is a violation of God's perfect standard, the righteousness of God required Him to condemn Adam. Or to put it another way, sin caused God to condemn Adam.
Because sin is a violation of God's perfect standard, the righteousness of God required Him to condemn Adam. Or to put it another way, sin caused God to condemn Adam.
God condemned the root source of the issue of man, not man himself ,it is the carnal nature man lives out of that got condemned.
As I said, God's love is what MOTIVATED God to provide salvation, but it was God's justice which made salvation possible. God's love didn't accomplish that salvation, His justice did by means of judicially imputing our personal sins to Jesus as He hung on the cross where He paid the penalty for them, thereby satisfying the righteous demands of the Father. But man must also have the same righteousness as God has in order to enter into an eternal relationship with Him. And so God imputes His own righteousness to those, and only to those who place their faith in Christ. Everyone who dies without coming to Christ for salvation remains under condemnation forever.
God's love can only bless. But God's justice can both bless and condemn. It was His justice which condemned Adam and the entire human race, and it was His justice which provided the mechanics of salvation. Love was simply the motivating factor for which reason God made salvation possible . It was not the means of accomplishing it.
God is love, and yet He condemned man on account of Sin. God is love and yet He leaves in condemnation all who do not come to Christ for eternal life. Just as God must be faithful to the fact that He is love, He must also be faithful to the fact that He is infinitely holy and must enact penalty for transgression against His holiness.
The belief that because God is love He therefore won't send anyone to the lake of fire forever impugns the character of God by ignoring His faithfulness to His perfect righteousness. It is quite likely that Satan made a similiar statement when God sentenced him to the lake of fire forever. That sentence by the way has not yet been carried out, but will be at the end of the Millennium. And it is at the end of the Millennium when all unbelievers will begin their eternal stay in the lake of fire. The beast and the false prophet however will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.
This idea that because God is love He will save everyone is the vain imaginings of those who who care nothing about what God has revealed about the matter, and who have
So then you believe that God blamed everyone's sin on Jesus who did not sin and you call that justice? And you further believe that if people are not fortunate enough to hear about this and "accept it" or "believe it" then God is going to toss them into a burning lake of fire after they are resurrected for the purpose of being punished. And you also call that good news? Okay, Mike, believe what you will. It is no wonder the whole world is gone mad.
Right Pleroo . He also did not condemn man on account of sin either . The scipture says He condemned sin in the flesh.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, condemned sin in the flesh Romans 8:3
God indeed judged the sins of the world as Christ bore those sins in His own body. Christ died a substitionary death on our behalf. The reason why that was necessary was because the righteousness of God required Him to impose a penalty on sin. That penalty was spiritual death.
Gen. 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." Adam died spiritually the moment he disobeyed God.
And as a result the entire human race is born spiritually dead.
Rom. 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned
A person who dies without accepting Christ as Savior remains spiritually dead forever in the lake of fire.
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