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Originally Posted by Torpedos
very good post. we, society, have allowed this power position to grow. how many times have i heard a person state, " im gonna ask the pastor to pray for me" the sad thing is that a pastor will actually pray for them ( which is not bad), but then fails to tell them that they do not need the pastor ( that is bad). So the people become subject to "leaders".
Not all pastors do that. At the old church that I referred to earlier, the pastor discouraged this kind of behavior. In fact, he even said from the pulpit that if he (the pastor) counsels you, but you feel God is telling you otherwise, then do what God told you. He went on to say that pastors do make mistakes and can misinterpret God the same way any other human does. He always stressed that pastors and leaders don't have some direct line to God that others are excluded from. I wouldn't go to a church that teaches otherwise.
Not all pastors do that. At the old church that I referred to earlier, the pastor discouraged this kind of behavior. In fact, he even said from the pulpit that if he (the pastor) counsels you, but you feel God is telling you otherwise, then do what God told you. He went on to say that pastors do make mistakes and can misinterpret God the same way any other human does. He always stressed that pastors and leaders don't have some direct line to God that others are excluded from. I wouldn't go to a church that teaches otherwise.
now that is a good pastor. most would want you to believe everything they say. and most will obey.
People sometimes don't realize that pastors are men just as we are, they need prayer also. Their flesh is just as weak as ours, but Jesus died so that we can overcome those sinful temptations. I pray for all pastors across this nation, because satan is busy but God is real.
If your pastor or teacher or father or anyone is in error, you correct them.
“It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.”
-St. Thomas Aquinas
Yes certainly, but it depends on the man or the problem. If it refers to the pastors teaching, then yes, if he's teaching false doctrine, it is OK. If he is publicly immoral, a drunk, etc. its OK. But if its a problem only you know about, then your first conversation should be with him personally. However, if its a complaint about his tie, the way he wears his hair, or his voice, etc, then you should shut you mouth and not judge your brother.
See the comment below as this applies to Presidents also. It is fine to comment on the job they did or are doing but not his hair, his mother or his wife and kids.
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Originally Posted by augiedogie
Yes certainly, but it depends on the man or the problem. If it refers to the pastors teaching, then yes, if he's teaching false doctrine, it is OK. If he is publicly immoral, a drunk, etc. its OK. But if its a problem only you know about, then your first conversation should be with him personally. However, if its a complaint about his tie, the way he wears his hair, or his voice, etc, then you should shut you mouth and not judge your brother.
I think ^^^ that is what it boils down to. The talking "trash" is what is wrong. Being critical of the job being done doesn't seem wrong but then again, it should be a face to face with a group and the pastor not simply gossiping behind his/her back.
If you cannot or will not say it to them face-to-face, do not say it behind their back..
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