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There is also something seriously wrong with people judging those who speak about the things Jesus talked about.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks?
Well, I suppose that could be why Jesus talked about it so much:
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire . . ."
Hebrews 9:28 debunks your stance:
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...so the Messiah was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly wait for him.
The reality is that sin was dealt with once and for all - repeatedly looking at sin is against the covenant we now live in. If God is not counting men's sin against them, why are you?
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
There are many who are not waiting for Him, and they will be judged. Why do you oppose people who warn people like Jesus warned them?
Why I usually specify "institutional church" pointing out that it is the formal organizations rather than those who actually live the Way.
BIG difference.
There are people who "live the way" and are not a part of any church brotherhood (or denomination, or local church) but most people who live the way are also a part of a local church. I am not sure what to think of those people who suggest that living the way and being a part of local church are mutually exclusive, as if people who go to church could not possibly be living the way. Some people go as far as making a hobby out of demonizing churches and the people who attend them. There are more than a few such people on this forum.
There are people who "live the way" and are not a part of any church brotherhood (or denomination, or local church) but most people who live the way are also a part of a local church. I am not sure what to think of those people who suggest that living the way and being a part of local church are mutually exclusive, as if people who go to church could not possibly be living the way. Some people go as far as making a hobby out of demonizing churches and the people who attend them. There are more than a few such people on this forum.
Indeed, and the bolded part points out why shortcomings of organizations to which they belong need to be recognized.
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
There are many who are not waiting for Him, and they will be judged. Why do you oppose people who warn people like Jesus warned them?
If you - a believer - are focused on sin, then you miss the point of redemption. Simply put, if we tell people that God loves them and has taken the penalty for sin upon Himself, then they will come. If we tell them God is coming to kill and torment them, they will not come.
The church of fire and brimstone: Moses represented the law (which kills) - he came down from Mt. Sinai with his face shining, and the people ran away out of fear.
The church whose feet are shod with the good news of peace: After God told Peter to listen to His Son (and not Moses or Elijah) on the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus came down the mountain with His face shining also...did the people run away out of fear from Him too?
If you - a believer - are focused on sin, then you miss the point of redemption. Simply put, if we tell people that God loves them and has taken the penalty for sin upon Himself, then they will come. If we tell them God is coming to kill and torment them, they will not come.
No one focuses on sin, but you act as if it should be a forbidden topic, as if people will like you more if you conceal the truth from them. No, speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. People deserve better than only half the truth.
You also say " if we tell people that God loves them and has taken the penalty for sin upon Himself", which is exactly what believers tell others. I don't know why you imply people focus on sin. It's a bit of a misrepresentation.
When people like you come here to claim that sin does not matter, it is a believers duty to correct you, because the claim is false, but it does not mean they focus on sin.
I am saying that sin was taken away by the Lamb of God, that the mercy seat was placed over the tablets of judgement in the Ark of the Covenant, that looking at our 'righteousness" in an attempt to please God is not pleasing Him at all...
I am saying that sin was taken away by the Lamb of God, that the mercy seat was placed over the tablets of judgement in the Ark of the Covenant, that looking at our 'righteousness" in an attempt to please God is not pleasing Him at all...What are we looking at? That is the issue.
That's cool. You are free to omit it from your speech
The second half of Romans 1 has come up in past threads as God's revealing wrath in giving us over to sinful behavior.
Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
So here's my question - are all of the gay people coming out an indicator of God's revealed wrath on this country?
Given the success, health and happiness of countries like the US, the UK and Scandanavia compared to countries where homosexuality is criminalized and punished, like certain Afrcian countries and Middle eastern countries, its clear God's wrath is directed at the latter. What a mess they are.
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