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Old 05-04-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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[b]...it is therefore an error to state that the rapture is an invented concept that only dates back 150 years.

AskThePriest.org: The Rapture

Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD

The Rapture - Brief History and Speculation About the Rapture
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:55 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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My church has been doing a series of Sunday School lessons on the end times or eschatology. What ever view you hold, it's nothing to be divided over or even debate. It's just that I am curious about anyone's reasoning behind the view that you have because I never really studied eschatology enough to know where I stood.

But after finding out that there are 4 basic views, and carefully studying those 4 views, I have come to the conclusion that I hold to the traditional church's position that has been held for about 150 years. Jesus will return to rapture his church or believers as well as ressurrect those believers who are dead; the Great Tribulation happens, then after the Great Tribulation, the church returns with Jesus as He sets up his 1000 year or millennium kingdom on earth, and finally the great white throne judgment happens for those who rejected Him and those who have rejected Him are casted into the Lake of fire. Then we who are believers will be in the new heaven and earth with God and Jesus forever. So I hold the pre-tribulation/premillennialist view.


Scriptures teachs #4 (Amillennialism). Historically, millennialism has always been held as hersay and as such is categorically rejected.
  • The Augsburg Confession alludes to the origin of this error
  • Luther held the position that Millennialism is a heresy (sermon preached in 1539)
  • John Calvin wrote that the doctrine of the millenarians is a "fiction too puerile to require or deserve refutation"
The reasons are obvious:
  • The Bible has the singular ... "Day of the Lord"
  • 1 Thessalonians 4 tells us that believers will rise to meet Christ in the air, not prior to, but on the last day
  • Matthew 24:30, all the nations of the earth “will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.” On that day, according to Revelation 1:7, “every eye will see him.”
As a theologian some time ago wrote:
Millennialism is to outright deny the church's hope of Christ's only return to judgement and those who " transport it into the stratosphere of their own esoteric speculations" belong to the scoffers who, Peter warned, would come, "scoffing and following their own evil desires" (2 Peter 3:3).
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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What did I just get through showing you from the Bible? The apostle Paul spoke of the event we call the rapture and therefore it is not an invented concept from 150 years ago.
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Eschatology--Which view do you hold?

None, they are man-made doctrines.

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Old 05-04-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: New England
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I came from the Father and entered the world; now I will leave the world and go back to the Father

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you
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Old 05-04-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I didn't notice until after I submitted my own post, but we both said the same thing. You beat me to it.
But you said it much better than I.
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Old 05-04-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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We will be "caught up" to a higher place; even while we yet live.

Meeting the Lord in the literal clouds of heaven is not what it means!
There is no fear here, except humanities fear and the atmosphere.
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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We will be "caught up" to a higher place; even while we yet live.

Meeting the Lord in the literal clouds of heaven is not what it means!
There is no fear here, except humanities fear and the atmosphere.
Why would you see "fear" in such a wonderful promise? We are talking about our coming into the presence of Christ our King to forever be and you want to talk about "fear"? You seem to be in such a dark place when we are basking in the Sonlight of Jesus Christ. Do you not look forward to being with Him?
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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Eschatology--Which view do you hold?

None, they are man-made doctrines.

I'm with Jerwade.
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Why would you see "fear" in such a wonderful promise? We are talking about our coming into the presence of Christ our King to forever be and you want to talk about "fear"? You seem to be in such a dark place when we are basking in the Son light of Jesus Christ. Do you not look forward to being with Him?
Why are you waiting for a sign?
Only protesters carry them.

"The Spirit of Christ dwells within; reach for it."
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