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Old 10-05-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it's the illusion of superiority.
NO I suspect it is really the illusion of spirituality.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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oops I posted the wrong video. try this one.. Cahns video is excellent just not about Tu-biShvat this winter after Chanukah... but the fruit is being judged now .. so interesting.... since the first blood moons what 4 years ago would make these blood moons about the 4th year .... so the last set of bloodmoon feasts to these next blood moons at least thought provoking and worthy of prayer and reflection and always repentance..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ovG_9ZNNXA
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:14 AM
 
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Only the weak minded would think that American Christians won't have to suffer. The cause of that suffering is where Pre-Trib Christians differ from post trib. Pre-Trib Christians should expect to suffer at the hand of the unbelieving world. The fatal flaw of post trib is: it teaches that God will pour out His wrath on the Bride of Jesus.


No. You're wrong. What you are actually pointing out is yet ANOTHER flaw of pre-trib; that you guys don't understand what the post trib position on the matter is. Namely, the tribulation and the wrath are two separate events. Kind of like the error that pre-tribbers make when they say the other side "doesn't believe in the rapture".
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:00 AM
 
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No. You're wrong. What you are actually pointing out is yet ANOTHER flaw of pre-trib; that you guys don't understand what the post trib position on the matter is. Namely, the tribulation and the wrath are two separate events. Kind of like the error that pre-tribbers make when they say the other side "doesn't believe in the rapture".
All you are doing is taking the pre-wrath position, or something similar to the mid-trib position, and labeling everything before some arbitrary catechism as tribulation, and labeling everything after as wrath, a twisting of words that allows you to argue endlessly for a nonexistent distinction without a difference.

I don't have time for such nonsensical arguments, as they go no where, and take all day to not get there.

I shall simply agree to disagree with you on this point, and Jesus can settle it between us, later.
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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All you are doing is taking the pre-wrath position, or something similar to the mid-trib position, and labeling everything before some arbitrary catechism as tribulation, and labeling everything after as wrath, a twisting of words that allows you to argue endlessly for a nonexistent distinction without a difference.

I don't have time for such nonsensical arguments, as they go no where, and take all day to not get there.

I shall simply agree to disagree with you on this point, and Jesus can settle it between us, later.

The tribulation is during the reign of the antichrist and is caused by the antichrist primarily.

The wrath is the punishment of the antichrist and the fallen world by God.

The arguments are not nonsensical, since the timeline of scripture is explicit. There is no mid-trib rapture, since the second coming and the first resurrection of the dead do NOT occur in the middle of the tribulation. And there is no translation of the living believers until AFTER the first resurrection. And there is no first resurrection until the antichrist appears. Per scripture.

So, calling them nonsensical is primarily the act of someone who... doesn't read scripture or doesn't believe it.

The purpose of the rapture is to translate believers into incorruptible flesh. It's not an escape from anything save mortality and death.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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The purpose of the rapture is to translate believers into incorruptible
flesh. It's not an escape from anything save mortality and death.
I do not wish to argue with you, but am curious where,
in the book of The Revelation, would you place the Rapture?
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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I do not wish to argue with you, but am curious where,
in the book of The Revelation, would you place the Rapture?
We are caught up to a higher place, even while we yet live.
There is no (physical) rapture, it's a greater understanding.

Although, you will just ignore the truth.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:01 PM
 
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The "End times" cannot be known, but here is the most likely scenario. Humans, through their own shortcomings, manage to avoid extincting themselves, but through human efforts, are saved. Eventually, in 100,000 or so years, H sapiens evolves into a newer srecies or subspecies


In several billion years, I can tell you this one for certain. The Sun, as it begins to burn itself out of fuel, will enlarge such that the heat from it vaporizes the planet, and any life on the planet earth, if any, will be immediately be obliterated. That is about the only "sure thing" for end times.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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I can tell you this one for certain.
I can tell you this one thing for certain.
In addition to:
Jerwade -ignore-
nateswift -ignore-
pcamps -ignore-
Pleroo -ignore-
TroutDude -ignore-
Wardendresden -ignore-
zthatzmanz28 -ignore-

I now have:
LargeKingCat -ignore-

So, that is one more poster I will not see posts from.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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I can tell you this one thing for certain.
In addition to:
Jerwade -ignore-
nateswift -ignore-
pcamps -ignore-
Pleroo -ignore-
TroutDude -ignore-
Wardendresden -ignore-
zthatzmanz28 -ignore-

I now have:
LargeKingCat -ignore-

So, that is one more poster I will not see posts from.
LMAO !!!!!!

I guess my explanation was probably too cerebral for his little Texas mind
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