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Why Christians spend so much time discussing this. Does knowing matter?
You probably would do much more for humankind working at a soup kitchen instead of the hours you all put in discussing this topic.
I agree that many of us could be doing a lot more if we were on the computer a lot less
Like you, I don't see the point of so many discussions here. People ruminate over things that really won't matter in the end and get so frustrated they zap their energy and lose their peace.
But, I am hopeful that maybe others who are searching for answers, maybe even searching for God, will read some of these threads and be inspired enough to dig deeper, to push to learn and understand more. THAT would make so many of them worth it
I agree that many of us could be doing a lot more if we were on the computer a lot less
Like you, I don't see the point of so many discussions here. People ruminate over things that really won't matter in the end and get so frustrated they zap their energy and lose their peace.
Mens predictions about the timing of the rapture always fail. Why? Because they are rooted in pre trib theology. Any prediction that puts the rapture at any time before the beast is revealed will be false.
Mens predictions about the timing of the rapture always fail. Why? Because they are rooted in pre trib theology. Any prediction that puts the rapture at any time before the beast is revealed will be false.
like this prediction failure
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Paul taught let no man deceive you that day (rapture) will not happen until there is a falling away and the man of sin is revealed. 2 Thess. 2:1-3
Multitudes will fall away when persecution starts in America. Some fall away because their wife or husband fall away. Some fall away over porn or alcohol. How much more when they were taught they wont have to suffer or maybe die for Yeshua....and then they find themselves and their family told if they refuse the mark they cannot buy or sell.
Its post trib.
post trib pre-trib
......... opposite side of the same coin ..............
My church has been doing a series of Sunday School lessons on the end times or eschatology. What ever view you hold, it's nothing to be divided over or even debate. It's just that I am curious about anyone's reasoning behind the view that you have because I never really studied eschatology enough to know where I stood.
But after finding out that there are 4 basic views, and carefully studying those 4 views, I have come to the conclusion that I hold to the traditional church's position that has been held for about 150 years. Jesus will return to rapture his church or believers as well as ressurrect those believers who are dead; the Great Tribulation happens, then after the Great Tribulation, the church returns with Jesus as He sets up his 1000 year or millennium kingdom on earth, and finally the great white throne judgment happens for those who rejected Him and those who have rejected Him are casted into the Lake of fire. Then we who are believers will be in the new heaven and earth with God and Jesus forever. So I hold the pre-tribulation/premillennialist view.
until there is a falling away and the man of sin is revealed. 2 Thess. 2:1-3
I am sorrry but I find this one kind of interesting and almost a ridiculous place to stand ...
I mean folks are standing on the revelation of someone everyone including the saints if it is possible.. are is going be thinking he is their savior. and we haven't had one of those yet?
and no one believes in sin ..in the first place. christianity won't be judging him anyway.. they will all be Dog's guppy Love him. so who exactly will be calling him a sinner ?
so exactly who will be defining he is a man of sin? how many "men of sin" in power to you know now? can we even find one one who isn't a man of sin ?
yet you are not ready!!
so like wow . how is that a place to take your stand...?
it will be too late by the time everyone figures out he is a sinner and a liar and "THE man OF sin" .....
and just what kind of sinner he is too bad can mean .
to the original question I believe in watching and praying and being ready for all contingencies and conditions as this world will transition from one condition to a new condition is going to be hard no matter how it happens. knowing Who is our peace is the only place to be no matter what happens. I caution the church because they are not dropping their predictions and such into the Lord's biblical feasts until the bloodmoons started on biblical feasts.... but we still have all end time theories which existed prior to the bloodmoons.. all those old theories still being with out any biblical feast and biblical terminology ....
Jesus fullilled all the spring biblical feast at first coming down to the day and hours..
so my theory is he will also fulfill the fall biblical feast down oto the hour, but we don't understand the hours or the days or the months... or even the biblical seasons we are in.
The "rapture" is an invented concept that only dates back about 150 years, but if some Christians want to believe it that's fine with me.
Too many Christians get all caught up (Ha, no pun intended) in details that won't really matter in the end. The important thing to know is, as long as you have your relationship with God solidly in place everything will be fine, no matter when or exactly how Jesus returns
Everything God tells us is important to understand, but not critical. That is how we press on to maturity,
You are right our relationship with God is the only critical thing, but He guarantees to complete and perfect it for us(Phil 1:6 & Heb 12:2). All we have to do is fix our eyes on Jesus, and keep them there.
Mens predictions about the timing of the rapture always fail. Why? Because they are rooted in pre trib theology. Any prediction that puts the rapture at any time before the beast is revealed will be false.
IMO Mt 24:21-22 teaches a pre-trib rapture of the church. Also IMO the trumpet judgments describe the great tribulation. The rapture occurs at the last trumpet(I Cor 15:52) and it must occur before the wrath of God judgments(I Thes 5:9). Also IMO, God will protect His children during this time like He protected His children when He brought the plagues on Egypt(I Thes 1:10).
Any prediction of the day and hour will fail, but Jesus tells us to be ready and to be aware of the signs preceding the end of the age(Mt 24:42-44). The second sign we are to look for is the "abomination of desolation(Mt 24:15). For this to happen the temple must be rebuilt, so the first sign will be when the Jews start rebuilding the temple of God.
For this to happen the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed, so maybe our first sign will be an earthquake that destroys that structure.
IMO Mt 24:21-22 teaches a pre-trib rapture of the church. Also IMO the trumpet judgments describe the great tribulation. The rapture occurs at the last trumpet(I Cor 15:52) and it must occur before the wrath of God judgments(I Thes 5:9). Also IMO, God will protect His children during this time like He protected His children when He brought the plagues on Egypt(I Thes 1:10).
Any prediction of the day and hour will fail, but Jesus tells us to be ready and to be aware of the signs preceding the end of the age(Mt 24:42-44). The second sign we are to look for is the "abomination of desolation(Mt 24:15). For this to happen the temple must be rebuilt, so the first sign will be when the Jews start rebuilding the temple of God.
For this to happen the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed, so maybe our first sign will be an earthquake that destroys that structure.
but isn't it saying it is the last of it, the end of the end will not come until the man of sin is revealed.. ........ so if the man of sin is revealed before all the rest of the church is "raptured"/ resurrected and we know the man of sin kills so many in the churches , and the believers who are alive at that time..at least 50% of the virgins are left outside where there is weaping........which I think means most of the virgins/ church and all else saved/ has already been killed before that last " rapture" and the whole worlds resurrection ( see stars in Judah in fall 2019) ..
and I suspect the church will not be raptured or the world not resurrected and these appear to happen together , until The Lord is well established in Israel. in order to receive more people and secure their peace in many nations . I could tell you dreams and why I draw these conclusions/ make these guesses and some word studies into ZEC ZEP MICah etc... .. but we who study are not dropping and double and triple confirming his concepts in his word and in his sky and in his history and in his feasts and nis /??...
I believe in REV 3 and REV 12 .. is a picture of him hiding His church.. and with it I see no picture of a resurrection in there ... only a birthing of his kingdom and a divine protection..
and then or during then satan being thrown to earth....and warring with the world and all the virgins../church left outside
thus the man of sin revealed .....
that can be soon as ALI CIONE/ ZION>> WAS JUST CROWNED and she just gave birth and The Lord has not ascended yet to the Father who is to start the fight .. . then later in 2019/20 during maybe the complete resurrection and with it the rapture which is last ingathering of all believers who had died or maybe lived through it
... just to look at the stars you know there is war in the heavenly after 2020.and something wicked happens this Chanukah like satan Gets kicked out of heaven.. .. we have to apply his history and his word and thus his feasts into these pictures in the sky and again back into his word ,, they all have to agree.
I am pretty sure " the Rapture" everyone waits for isn't what they think it is..and it isn't the picture given to REV 3 AND REV 12 .
JUST BE READY TO GO TO THE BRIDEGROOM ON TABERNACLES.
WHERE EVER THE MOUNTAINS/ THE GATHERINGS OF HIS FIRE IS.. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE
"WINGS" TO GO THERE , THEN DRIVE THERE OR BE LEFT OUTSIDE.
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