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Old 08-08-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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It is part op the sanctification process. You do believe in sanctification? "But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth."2thess 2:13
Yes, I believe in sanctification, but it's not a process. We are sanctified. See Heb 10:10 and 1 Cor 1:30.

Again, there is no scripture that says the Holy Spirit convicts believers of sin. How can you be convicted of something that isn't imputed to you? (Rom 4:8)
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Yes, I believe in sanctification, but it's not a process. We are sanctified. See Heb 10:10 and 1 Cor 1:30.

Again, there is no scripture that says the Holy Spirit convicts believers of sin. How can you be convicted of something that isn't imputed to you? (Rom 4:8)
I think I see the problem: the use of the word "convict" which in this case merely means "convince." Does it make a difference to your understanding if I say the Spirit convinces us when we have sinned?
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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The weight of condemnation Christians must be under as got be astronomical.if you fail get back up, if you miss the mark, shoot again. If you only understood that your Heavenly Father is patient with you, that he knows you live in an earthly tabernacle that wars against everything God decrees you are, that how he desires you to be towards others, is no different to how he is towards you. Hope this lightens the burden so you can walk in peace with God and lightness of spirit.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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I think I see the problem: the use of the word "convict" which in this case merely means "convince." Does it make a difference to your understanding if I say the Spirit convinces us when we have sinned?
My understanding is fine. The Holy Spirit doesn't have anything to do with sin and the believer. Not convicting, convincing, condemning, etc. No place. Nothing. He convicts the unbeliever of sin because they don't believe in Jesus. To say He does so is to misquote John 16.

Again, how can he convict the believer of sin if it isn't imputed to us anymore? Heb 1 says jesus purged our sins.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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The weight of condemnation Christians must be under as got be astronomical.if you fail get back up, if you miss the mark, shoot again.
This is so true because you have people thinking the Holy Spirit is waiting to jump on you every time you miss it. That's not who He is and what He does.

Condemnation kills. The Spirit gives life.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Condemnation kills. The Spirit gives life.
I, at least, was not talking about condemnation. I was talking about bringing it to our attention that we have goofed, so that we can grow in the knowledge and imitation of Christ. Saying that I blew it is not condemnation while I live in and demonstrate God's love, it is education.
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Old 08-08-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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I, at least, was not talking about condemnation. I was talking about bringing it to our attention that we have goofed, so that we can grow in the knowledge and imitation of Christ. Saying that I blew it is not condemnation while I live in and demonstrate God's love, it is education.
I didn't mean to say you were talking about condemnation. However, wouldn't being reminded of your sin all the time be condemning?

I blow it all the time, but thank the Lord it took it all away. No matter our differences in beliefs, I think we can both agree that we are grateful Jesus saved us.

Sometimes I think all these "discussions" about doctrinal differences are a waste of time. Once we get to heaven I don't think there will be a baptist section, pentecostal section, etc.

One body.

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Old 08-09-2013, 03:59 AM
 
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I didn't mean to say you were talking about condemnation. However, wouldn't being reminded of your sin all the time be condemning?
I blow it all the time, but thank the Lord it took it all away. No matter our differences in beliefs, I think we can both agree that we are grateful Jesus saved us.
Well, I'd venture to say that if it is "all the time" something needs to be addressed. if it isfairly often,you could say that your opportunities for improvement are great. Any failure on our part is not a basis for self flagellation, but a means to gain understanding nd growth.
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Sometimes I think all these "discussions" about doctrinal differences are a waste of time. Once we get to heaven I don't think there will be a baptist section, pentecostal section, etc.

One body.

Hopefully, aslong as we retain an open mind we can learn from others, andgrow in Christ by that. When we defend "our" positions regardless of evidenceto the contrary, we are not going to learn anything.
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