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Please bear with me Pleroo, I'm trying to put things out there that if we take our blinkered view of what we think what the parables are saying we will see the obvious what is there. There's a sun rising and setting in the parable, that effects everyone employed at different times of the day in different ways in the vineyard.
It's not your fault pcamps, they don't want to listen.
The believes are the only ones who will enter, and gentiles will enter first although they were called last, or poor before the rich, but those who reject The Lord will not enter at all, just like Luke 13 so clearly explains.
The problem is that you believe that if they reject up until the point they die that it is their fault, correct if they then go to hell?
Your not answering my question who are the last which shall be first, and the first which shall be last according to Luke 13:25-30?
I have answered it in many different ways, starting with post #4 and later the discussion about the parable of the vine yard was added to it, although from a different angle. Both stories talk about believers. Luke 13 talks about Jews, gentiles, rich, poor, influential, non-influential. Some people who are last in earthly standards will be with the nobles in heaven. Think about Lazarus, a beggar, who was with Abraham in hades. Earthly ranks will be meaningless after we are dead, the only thing which will matter is our relationship with Christ.
Luk 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
All the ETers and the Annihilationists don't teach that bolded part. They teach only some will be made straight.
We are listening pcamps declare he is not yet ready to share his views about Matthew (let alone Luke 13, the topic).
Finn believe or not, I am saying what I believe the parable is about? Your assessment seems to be that the workers were given an offer to choose to go to work in the vineyard with the assumption the workers were Jews and Gentiles. What I've tried to do is get you to step back and look what you are saying and what it is actually saying, by bringing to your attention things in the parable you are obviously not seeing or dismissing has not being relevant.
Finn believe or not, I am saying what I believe the parable is about? Your assessment seems to be that the workers were given an offer to choose to go to work in the vineyard with the assumption the workers were Jews and Gentiles. What I've tried to do is get you to step back and look what you are saying and what it is actually saying, by bringing to your attention things in the parable you are obviously not seeing or dismissing has not being relevant.
There are only Jews and non-Jews aka gentiles. There is no third kind of people. Based on your comment I don't think you have even read what I have written.
He will let you know as soon as he is done extracting the information from UR publications.
Let me just say this Finn, I would say it's at least 4 years since I reached for something written by a universalist. Now I am very surprised that you have not gone to something you heavily lean on, considering from what you have said so far indicates that you have not got a clue about the parable, concerning the first and last, the different hours of the day, why the first worked for an agreed wage and the rest of them didn't, why the last got the same wage as the first, and if you believe the Jews are those employed first and the gentile last who are those employed at 3 other different times of the day.
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