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Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
1 Thessalonians 5:3 gives an example of how their punishment is inescapable: While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
Is a the pain of a women in labor inescapable in the sense that it is never-ending? No, it's inescapable in the sense that it is mandatory. She has to suffer the pain in order for the child to be born, there's no escaping it. Also if the punishment is eternal without any hope then this isn't a very good analogy because not only does the labor come to an end, but there is much joy and happiness once the child is born.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 gives an example of how their punishment is inescapable: While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
Is a the pain of a women in labor inescapable in the sense that it is never-ending? No, it's inescapable in the sense that it is mandatory. She has to suffer the pain in order for the child to be born, there's no escaping it. Also if the punishment is eternal without any hope then this isn't a very good analogy because not only does the labor come to an end, but there is much joy and happiness once the child is born.
Sure sounds like the comparison is made to highlight only the suddenness of its arrival.
Sure sounds like the comparison is made to highlight only the suddenness of its arrival.
No, the verse is also describing the nature of punishment "they will not escape". Is the labor of a women inescapable in the sense that it is never-ending or mandatory?
No, the verse is also describing the nature of punishment "they will not escape". Is the labor of a women inescapable in the sense that it is never-ending or mandatory?
It talks only about the nature of its arrival. Verse 2 speaks more about it, saying it will arrive like "a thief at night".
It talks only about the nature of its arrival. Verse 2 speaks more about it, saying it will arrive like "a thief at night".
It's not talking about just the arrival, but also the nature "they shall not escape" Jesus did the same thing:
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Luke 12:46-48
He will come suddenly to punish the wicked with stripes. The stripes are inescapable because they are mandatory, not never-ending: few or many.
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, UNTIL he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Matthew 18:34-35
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It's not talking about just the arrival, but also the nature "they shall not escape"
"They shall not escape" says nothing about the duration. It says it will come as a surprise, and those who are not ready will not escape. It says what it says, no more, no less. Nothing about the duration. The duration is explained in other parts of the Bible as eternal.
"fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Today isn't the day for the word shell game .... if you can't have the ability to understand that "soul" is your magical gotcha word for "spirit" then find somebody else to teach you.
If you can't differentiate between the two Greek words 'pneuma'- spirit, and 'psuche' - soul, I can't help. You are perfectly within your rights to believe whatever you want.
If you can't differentiate between the two Greek words 'pneuma'- spirit, and 'psuche' - soul, I can't help. You are perfectly within your rights to believe whatever you want.
Anybody can sound like an expert of Greek by the copy and paste method .... and those here who truly been educated in reading NT Greek and the correct understanding \ application of it doesn't need to use supposed Greek expertise as a crutch, bluff or intimidation.
Which that assessment too is "perfectly within (my) rights to believe"
Anybody can sound like an expert of Greek by the copy and paste method .... and those here who truly been educated in reading NT Greek and the correct understanding \ application of it doesn't need to use supposed Greek expertise as a crutch, bluff or intimidation.
Which that assessment too is "perfectly within (my) rights to believe"
I'm sorry Twinspin. I stand by what I said.
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