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Here again is another example of how to answer a person who is intellectually dishonest when previously he declares:
Originally Posted by pcamps Everything on this forum for me, is about getting all whose consciences bear witness that eternal torment is unjust.
Jesus often said that people in his day who had no intentions of listening to him but were interested in justifying their accusations by using "trap questions" responded with by saying:
Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
When Jesus spoke Matthew 23:33, anyone who thinks of themselves as intellectually honest, would realize that since Jesus also spoke of hell being "eternal" ... that he not need to say it every single time to satisfy that wanton skeptic accuser that permeates in Universalism, the typical universalist and the accuser of God being unjust.
So it's not surprising that the question being asked purposefully limits to Acts of the Apostles ... when the Apostles did address it:
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John (in three separate letters)
Peter
Paul (in letters to Christian Churches founded by him)
As can be found (paraphrased by me) in the Concordia Self- Study Bible as to the purpose of Acts:
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Acts was written by Luke (though not by name) as was the ordinary procedure for a historian at the time to begin a second volume summarizing the first edition.
Luke's main purpose for writing Acts appears to be:
To present a history as a historical account of Christian origins
To give a defense of Christianity with the underlying purpose of people's conversion
To provide a guide Since Luke had no way of knowing how long the church would remain on earth, but as long as it pursues it course, the Book of Acts will be one of the major guides.
To depict the triumph of Christianity in the face of bitter persecution by the establishing of local churches from Jerusalem to Rome, shows that Christianity was not a mere work human doctrines but that it (Christianity) was the doctrines established by God.
Of course the questioner has been more than once explained the purpose of the writing of Acts, but as we see, it's not that he's interested in theological sound explanations but rather to maintain the accusation of God being unjust.
To which only such efforts by accusers will lead to one result:
"only a fearfulexpectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."
And no ... Jesus does not teach a annihilation.
Camps just gets up off the floor laughing his English arse off and now is back down there. The disputed writer of the Acts of the Apostles could have at the very least given an hint of salvation being salvation from eternal hell, any reasonable open minded person would be agreeable to this.
When i write an estimate, everything i am estimating to do is itemized so the client is fully aware of what is going to be done and what isn't, there is no gray area. Do you not think when something as important as life and death there would be no gray area, you obviously are assuming that because eternal hell is not mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles that those who heard the good news of salvation from sin, knew perfectly well that is what salvation is from.
. Do you not think when something as important as life and death there would be no gray area, you obviously are assuming that because eternal hell is not mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles that those who heard the good news of salvation from sin, knew perfectly well that is what salvation is from.
Salvation through faith is repeated some 200 times in the Bible, so there is no gray area. After death second chances are not mentioned even once.
I defined is 3-4 times several pages ago. It is eternal & spiritual deliverance. Jesus promises eternal life to those who believe aka are saved, and this is repeated some 200 times in the Bible, because it is very important.
I defined is 3-4 times several pages ago. It is eternal & spiritual deliverance. Jesus promises eternal life to those who believe aka are saved, and this is repeated some 200 times in the Bible, because it is very important.
Deliverance and saved from what ?. Because i do not see anywhere in the scriptures that we are delivered and saved from eternal hell, maybe you could point me to the scriptures that say we are saved from eternal hell ?. Just give me a minute 2 pull up the 2 verses that you think we are saved from eternal that don't say anything of the sort. Hang on
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish in eternal hell but have eternal life
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath that sends you into eternal hell through him!
Do you see what is wrong with both of these scriptures?. Correct, in my obsession of eternal hell i added eternal hell to them
Camps just gets up off the floor laughing his English arse off and now is back down there. The disputed writer of the Acts of the Apostles could have at the very least given an hint of salvation being salvation from eternal hell, any reasonable open minded person would be agreeable to this.
When i write an estimate, everything i am estimating to do is itemized so the client is fully aware of what is going to be done and what isn't, there is no gray area. Do you not think when something as important as life and death there would be no gray area, you obviously are assuming that because eternal hell is not mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles that those who heard the good news of salvation from sin, knew perfectly well that is what salvation is from.
the ordinary procedure for a historian at the time to begin a second volume summarizing the first edition.
Not surprising that intellectual dishonesty doesn't change .... summarizing isn't estimating.
An intellectual position is that the 1st edition by the same author is no less valid to the answer being demanded.
However that isn't the purpose why one "gets up off the floor laughing his English arse off " simply because of intellectual dishonesty. Rather God explains why people accuse God of being unjust and mock him:
Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
Yes, what else explains the mockery other than they know it's the truth that
"only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."
and the more that is repeated, the more unjust they feel God is.
I would not be surprised to read that another OP will come forth from the spirit of accusations attempting to justify that God is unjust.
Deliverance and saved from what ?. Because i do not see anywhere in the scriptures that we are delivered and saved from eternal hell, maybe you could point me to the scriptures that say we are saved from eternal hell ?. Just give me a minute 2 pull up the 2 verses that you think we are saved from eternal that don't say anything of the sort. Hang on
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish in eternal hell but have eternal life
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath that sends you into eternal hell through him!
Do you see what is wrong with both of these scriptures?. Correct, in my obsession of eternal hell i added eternal hell to them
Thanks in advance xx
I am sorry I did not answer the way you wanted me to answer, but then again it was MY answer, not YOURS.
the ordinary procedure for a historian at the time to begin a second volume summarizing the first edition.
Not surprising that intellectual dishonesty doesn't change .... summarizing isn't estimating.
An intellectual position is that the 1st edition by the same author is no less valid to the answer being demanded.
However that isn't the purpose why one "gets up off the floor laughing his English arse off " simply because of intellectual dishonesty. Rather God explains why people accuse God of being unjust and mock him:
Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
Yes, what else explains the mockery other than they know it's the truth that
"only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."
and the more that is repeated, the more unjust they feel God is.
I would not be surprised to read that another OP will come forth from the spirit of accusations attempting to justify that God is unjust.
I'm sorry i am not going to reply to your posts unless you learn to reason together instead of spitting out bulleted verses of eternal condemnation, which i assume you think give credence to what you are saying. The god you believe in is unjust.
I am sorry I did not answer the way you wanted me to answer, but then again it was MY answer, not YOURS.
Have a nice day.
Well the way i want you to answer is the way you would want me to answer, with scripture.
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