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I have a question about baptism. According to this christian website, Acts 2:38 says that tying repentance and baptism together provides forgiveness of your sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Another site says that Around 400 AD, a man named Augustine came up with the idea of “original sin.” This basically said that everyone inherits the sin of Adam at birth and is therefore separated from God from the beginning of their life.
Is baptism supposed to remove both normal and original sin? Was it originally just meant for removal of normal sins and for receiving the holy spirit, and later on developed to remove both normal and original sin?
St. Augustine didn't originate the idea of original sin, he just defended it. It is taught clearly in the Bible.
Ps 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Not only that, but all Children are born in unbelief, as Idolaters. Therefore they need to be converted to become believers, since salvation and being part of God's kingdom means one must be a believer in the one true God. And we all were in this condition at one time in our life.
Eph. 2 Eph 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. Eph 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
So again, everyone needs to be converted to be saved. Jesus words to Nicodemus, John 3. No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the spirit. For a Christian truly to believe, they must have the Holy Spirit, for scripture also says, No one can say that Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit.
So the sacrament of Baptism is given to all, to have no just their sins washed away, but also to receive the Holy Spirit, who is given so that we might believe and be saved. And since this is necessary even for babies, the sacrament of Baptism is offered to all. This also makes sense as God saves by grace, its a free gift to all by faith. Hope this helps.
It didn't answer my question.. My question was that if baptism washes away both original sin and other sins. And what you wrote about Ps 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.", is that original sin? I thought original sin was the sin that was given to the humans for what Adam and Eve did in paradise? And what is meant by "to enter the kingdom of heaven"? Is it meant heaven, or is it meant the kingdom of heaven on earth after the apocalypse?
Not sure where your information/ideas about Baptism (or original sin, the Kingdom of heaven on earth or any number of things) is coming from, but, let’s stick with the Baptism issue (BTW, just because something is on the internet, doesn’t make it true … ‘Bonjour!’ The Bible is the source of truth!)
Baptism is an outward sign of an inner change ... that has already taken place. Baptism, in itself, has no power to remove "normal" sin; much less 'original sin' (in fact, distinguishing between the two in this context only further convolutes the issue.)
All people are dead in their transgression and sin; --- and need to be saved ("by grace through faith in Jesus Christ" - Eph 2:8 ... from the just 'wages of sin'). When a believer in Christ follows Him in 'believer's baptism,' they outwardly identify with Him and affirm their commitment through the baptism symbolism of 'putting the old man to death (down into the water) and raising-up the new man (out of the water).
Look at it this way: If one simply 'goes through the motions' of being baptized, with no accompanying faith-led, heart-level belief/trust in Jesus Christ ... they are only "WET" ---not cleansed of sin, regardless of what they call it.
Not sure where your information/ideas about Baptism (or original sin, the Kingdom of heaven on earth or any number of things) is coming from, but, let’s stick with the Baptism issue (BTW, just because something is on the internet, doesn’t make it true … ‘Bonjour!’ The Bible is the source of truth!)
Baptism is an outward sign of an inner change ... that has already taken place. Baptism, in itself, has no power to remove "normal" sin; much less 'original sin' (in fact, distinguishing between the two in this context only further convolutes the issue.)
All people are dead in their transgression and sin; --- and need to be saved ("by grace through faith in Jesus Christ" - Eph 2:8 ... from the just 'wages of sin'). When a believer in Christ follows Him in 'believer's baptism,' they outwardly identify with Him and affirm their commitment through the baptism symbolism of 'putting the old man to death (down into the water) and raising-up the new man (out of the water).
Look at it this way: If one simply 'goes through the motions' of being baptized, with no accompanying faith-led, heart-level belief/trust in Jesus Christ ... they are only "WET" ---not cleansed of sin, regardless of what they call it.
Very nicely said. I enjoy reading your posts
On the subject of the internet. It is quickly becoming full of misinformation and wrong interpretations. It's a shame because the good websites are overshadowed by garbage. I can't say it enough, "If you want to know about God, go to His word." If you need help understanding the hard things find a good, trusted commentary. Don't rely on the musings of some unknown internet self-made biblical scholar.
I have a question about baptism. According to this christian website, Acts 2:38 says that tying repentance and baptism together provides forgiveness of your sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Another site says that Around 400 AD, a man named Augustine came up with the idea of “original sin.” This basically said that everyone inherits the sin of Adam at birth and is therefore separated from God from the beginning of their life.
The idea of a sin nature is certainly supported in scripture, as we are born as sinners. Our hearts are evil (Mark 7:21-23), we are slaves to sin (Rom 6:20), we don't seek for God (Rom 3:10-12). By our nature, we are children of wrath (Eph 2:3).
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Is baptism supposed to remove both normal and original sin? Was it originally just meant for removal of normal sins and for receiving the holy spirit, and later on developed to remove both normal and original sin?
No. Baptism clearly does NOT remove or wash any kind of sin away. We are saved by faith alone, by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9).
I have a question about baptism. According to this christian website, Acts 2:38 says that tying repentance and baptism together provides forgiveness of your sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Another site says that Around 400 AD, a man named Augustine came up with the idea of “original sin.” This basically said that everyone inherits the sin of Adam at birth and is therefore separated from God from the beginning of their life.
Is baptism supposed to remove both normal and original sin? Was it originally just meant for removal of normal sins and for receiving the holy spirit, and later on developed to remove both normal and original sin?
Vizio hit the nail on the head!
Please read Romans 4. If you believe God that Christ died for our sins, was entombed and roused again the third day you are righteous. (period!) There is only one baptism for believers of the nations; spirit baptism.
How do you personally answer people who think otherwise?
I point them to this passage:
Ephesians 4:3-6 endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit with the tie of peace:
(4) one body and one spirit, according as you were called also with one expectation of your calling;"
(5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) one God and Father of all, Who is over all and through all and in all."
Not two Lord's, not two faiths, not two baptisms, not two Gods.
We of the nations are baptized into His death by faith, not by water.
Now with a Circumcision Jewish believer, this was different. Prior to Israel being set aside, they were baptized in water and spirit. We of the nations, upon Israel being set aside and grace going to the nations, we only have one baptism, in spirit.
Now with a Circumcision Jewish believer, this was different. Prior to Israel being set aside, they were baptized in water and spirit. We of the nations, upon Israel being set aside and grace going to the nations, we only have one baptism, in spirit.
You're suggesting a Jew was baptized in water? Or a Jewish Christian?
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