Ken Ham .vs. Bill Nye (support, myths, evolution, Bible)

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by SumTingy

I understand your position and you do not wish chaoes to enter the board. But part of the Nye and Ham’s differences is creation versus evolution. Flat earth claims is also not part of Christianity. Tying it to some very confused people who say they are Christian is just a way to make it part of this board.

The bible strongly states that man was created as an image and did not mutate. Are you ok with the topic of Intelligent Design?

A topic on Intelligent Design is as worthy as one on - Did Pinocchio Turn Into A Real Boy?

[RockyRoadg]

[mensaguy]

Originally Posted by SumTingy

I understand your position and you do not wish chaoes to enter the board. But part of the Nye and Ham’s differences is creation versus evolution. Flat earth claims is also not part of Christianity. Tying it to some very confused people who say they are Christian is just a way to make it part of this board.

The bible strongly states that man was created as an image and did not mutate. Are you ok with the topic of Intelligent Design?

This is a forum about Christianity. It is not a forum about Science; not is it a forum for the spreading of false or misleading information.

Originally Posted by mensaguy

This is a thread about Ken Ham vs. Bill Nye and their debate.

It is not a thread about the science of evolution, which (as you all know) is generally not an appropriate topic for the Religion and Spirituality forums. The reason it is not appropriate is that all of the misunderstandings cause the threads to veer completely away from their original topics, usually with myriads of incorrect information. The deleted posts even included a citation from the Creation Science Institute, a site full of misinformation, which leads to extensive posts unrelated to Religion or Spirituality.

I don't mind the post being deleted/orphaned. Just curious though - did you or SumTingy delete it?

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

I don't mind the post being deleted/orphaned. Just curious though - did you or SumTingy delete it?

Only mods can delete another person's post.

Originally Posted by TroutDude

Only mods can delete another person's post.

Really, hmm, I thought you could delete your own posts. Good to know! When I go to 'edit' there is the option 'delete.' ???

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Really, hmm, I thought you could delete your own posts. Good to know! When I go to 'edit' there is the option 'delete.' ???

You can delete your own posts if you do so within an hour to an hour and a half. But in this case it was Mensaguy who deleted the posts.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Really, hmm, I thought you could delete your own posts. Good to know! When I go to 'edit' there is the option 'delete.' ???

I said only mods can delete "another person's" posts. Yes, you can delete your own if you do it within a certain length of time. That length of time varies. I think on CD it's an hour or so.

[Hannibal Flavius]

Originally Posted by CRSTL13

What did everybody think of the recent debate? I didn't get to see it, but have heard that it sounds like Nye posed several questions that seemed to stump Ham. Any other feedback or critique of the debate would be nice, as I mentioned I did not yet get to view it.

For example, "how if Kangaroos got off the Ark in the middle east, why are they only in Australia, and not even a fossil of one anywhere else?"

What does everybody think of the answer to this question. Being a Christian, I could care less about the fundamentals of evolution, but I'm curious to know answers like this, as I want to be able to defend my faith if I ever happen to be in a discussion with a evolutionist.

The last couple of months, I have really started diving into the bible, and my faith has been strengthened so much. Please pray for me to continue my journey.

The Bible teaches evolution in my good opinion. From cover to cover it is showing us and telling us that we have to overcome the nature of an animal and the sins of the whole world are put squarely on the head of an animal.


The bible doesn't have to be against evolution at all, that's just the pre conceived ideas of many, and we can KNOW BEYOND ANY DOUBT that Moses was telling a spiritual story when he spoke of the 7 days of creation, and Moses was no dummy, he didn't contradict himself on purpose.


Moses tells us that Adam was born, and 24 hours later, Eve was born, and AGAIN, Moses was no dummy. Moses tells us that in those 24 hours, Adam had named every creature living and you can't even name all the species of birds in a single decade.


But not only this, Moses tells us that Adam worked the garden tilling and sowing and reaping IN HARVESTING SO LONG, that God looked down on him and said,'' It is not good that man is alone.''


You CERTAINLY CANNOT till and sow and harvest ANYTHING in 24 hours, CERTAINLY, you can't name all the creatures in 24 hours, and you CERTAINLY CANNOT harvest something that takes months and years to do, in 24 hours.




AGAIN, Moses was no dummy, he wrote of those 7 days KNOWING that you would realize it was a spiritual story, NOT A LITERAL STORY.


Unless we are going to look at Moses like some big Dummy who does nothing but contradict himself, Moses WANTED you to know it was a spiritual story.


Zechariah 13
4And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:




Why does Elijah wear the skins of animals, and why would a person put on the skins of an animal to deceive?


By putting on the skins of an animal, you are saying THAT YOU are the hidden man within, and this HIDDEN man concept has been around a very long time before Jesus. We saw a picture of Jacob putting on the skins of an animal to deceive his father into believing that he was his brother Esau, and we have a picture of one son standing inside another son, because THERE IS a hidden man INSIDE an animal.



Wives and Husbands
(Song of Solomon 1:1-3; Ephesians 5:22-33)

1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.


The bible shows humans to be animals from cover to cover where there is always an animal involved, when Adam and Eve fell, they had to be clothed in the skins of an animal, and they fell because of the voice of a beast.

Originally Posted by Mike555

You can delete your own posts if you do so within an hour to an hour and a half. But in this case it was Mensaguy who deleted the posts.

I thought that was the case.