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Old 04-01-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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If you don't believe that God can guide you to truth apart from a book, then you have faith in the book, not God.
God guides directly ... the book supports the guidance.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:38 PM
 
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I know ALL about your means of excluding others from your little circle and I will NOT participate thank you. You are welcome to join mine, which is interested in how we live the love of God in our lives.
...not about little groups and cliques. I just asked what you believed about those events. You just know you can't have it both ways. Ultimately God knows.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: New England
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God guides directly ... the book supports the guidance.
Is that an opinion supported by the scripture ?.

Here is a bible verse that kind of contradicts that opinion. The sons( and the lovely daughters) of God are led by the Spirit of God.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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In other words, endorsing slavery. Endorsing the owning of one human being by another.

The correct thing would have been to teach to set the slave free.

Somehow that doesn't happen in bible teachings. The good book? Only if your the slave owner.
The Bible does not say that - however you try and force it. You could say the Bible endorsed smoking crack cocaine or doing crystal meth because there is no direct prohibition.

Certain cultures had/have slaves. That's a fact. Christ focused on how people were treated rather than how the working relationship was structured.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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Is that an opinion supported by the scripture ?.

Here is a bible verse that kind of contradicts that opinion. The sons( and the lovely daughters) of God are led by the Spirit of God.
Well think it through - at some point in history a Bible didn't exist. God still existed, and guided people as He saw fit. He led Abraham, Joseph, Moses, etc. - no Bible was necessary.

Now we have a written record we can use along with direct intervention.

Romans 15:4 - For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:09 PM
 
Location: New England
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Well think it through - at some point in history a Bible didn't exist. God still existed, and guided people as He saw fit. He led Abraham, Joseph, Moses, etc. - no Bible was necessary.

Now we have a written record we can use along with direct intervention.

Romans 15:4 - For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
So it was all about getting the bible to us ?.

Did you know that the scriptures actually tells us that mystery through the ages and generations that we were all unaware of,but is know being made known to us, is the knowledge of Christ within us. Read it for yourself in Col 1. Let me tell you this too, it was not God hiding this knowledge from us, it was our concept of God and ourselves that could not conceive God within us.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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And when someone say God through His spirit tells me something the Bible says is false, is it God's spirit?

I don't limit it to the Bible, it simply will never be in disagreement with it, rather it will reveal what God has/is teaching us through the Bible.
And what do you do when the Bible gives conflicting perceptions as noted in the "slave" question above, where one set of verses (Philemon) gives one way of treating slaves, the OT example gives entirely a different one and the "golden rule" applied to the question indicates that one should not own a slave at all?
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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Personal? Just through the daily trails of life as I relate to God, exercise faith when necessary... sometimes I really have to depend on God through certain situations. I can say He has kept me from faring worse in many cases. As far as what you mentioned - it's on the testimony on what's in the Bible, Israel is not an imaginary place - it exists,... there is hard evidence that places in the Bible exists - so it's not a total fairy tale just on the surface,... it's the communication with my inner spirit that these events took place,... it's the character of God that says He does not lie and spoke through the spirit of the authors to record the events that occurred,... in summary - it's through the relationship that begins when one believes in the gospel of Jesus Christ - His death, burial, and resurrection for our sins and eternal life with Him.
It's a spiritual thing. I will leave it at that.

The point is, DRob, that you have no basis for saying that other people must believe the things in the bible literally happened or else they do not have faith in God.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:55 PM
 
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If you don't believe that God can guide you to truth apart from a book, then you have faith in the book, not God.
No one has said God could not guide them to truth apart from His book. We just accept that God choose to give us the book.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: New England
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He(The Word)was in the world, and the world was made by him(The Word)and the world knew him(The Word) not. John 1:10

He sent His Word and it was not a book, it was the one the book testified of, and to those who received The Word(not the book), they were enlightened in the knowledge that they were the sons and daughters of God.
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