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But I know the game. I show you the scripture and you say it does not mean what it say's and because you say it does not mean what it say's you win. Sorry. Don't feel like playing your game with you. I can read it over and over on the forum
Camps shakes is head in disbelief. In other words you haven't got a single scripture, and you like all bibleans completely ignore that by your own standards there as got to be something wrong with that. I mean what does it matter if you do have a scripture and i say it doesn't mean that, at the very least you have done your part. Accept it, what you believe is not grounded in the scripture, it is a fear based doctrine that like all bibleans' you are not willing let go of.
Us, meaning everyone on this planet whether they have even heard of Christ on not, all have a simple "basic" choice?...Riiiight. Besides, your post doesn't really address the logical and moral insanity of such a design as I posted before. Remember: Under this design, God supposedly made ALL the rules...which would mean he thought eternally torturing 70% to 99% percent of all human kind for all eternity (a never ending guantanamo with a protentially infinite pain scale) for not being lucky enough to accept Christ was a just and moral thing to do when he created the universe...Compare that to the most evil rulers in history and it doesn't look so good for the traditionalist Christian view of God..which is why I'm quite a bit more open minded about this issue than I use to be.
Nothing in my post suggests that God will send people who never heard of Jesus to hell.
The Catholic Church's teaching on this is far more nuanced than your post suggests.
In fact, fundamentalist Christians blast us for not adhering to their idea that if people haven't accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, they will not be saved.
Matthew 25:31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Nothing in my post suggests that God will send people who never heard of Jesus to hell.
The Catholic Church's teaching on this is far more nuanced than your post suggests.
In fact, fundamentalist Christians blast us for not adhering to their idea that if people haven't accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, they will not be saved.
So, we take flack from both extremes.
And what of those that have heard of Jesus and merely do not choose to follow his teachings..Mandatory sentence of burning in hell for eternity sounds a little extreme.
And what of this free will? seems to be an empty option if burning for eternity or following his teachings are considered your options for free will.
And what of those that have heard of Jesus and merely do not choose to follow his teachings..Mandatory sentence of burning in hell for eternity sounds a little extreme.
God takes into consideration the reasons for their choices. Did their alcoholic father beat them creating problems with authority figures? Was their mother a new ager? Did a high school teacher convince them that Darwinism was the only truth? You get the idea. God knows not just what we do, but why we do it.
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And what of this free will? seems to be an empty option if burning for eternity or following his teachings are considered your options for free will.
1. You are not God.
2. You are free to choose your eternal destiny within the constraints established by the God who created you.
3. If there additional objections, see #1.
Jesus said "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Pretty simple stuff!
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