Crusades, Will We Reassemble? Do We Need To? (believe, pray, priests)
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And what was wrong with the Crusades? The whole Crusades started when the Muslims invaded Jerusalem and the Christians tried to take the Holy city back. What's wrong with that? Besides, it looks like we are going to have to reassemble if we want one Christian to be left standing in the Middle East. Governments will not do anything to help Christians in that region. So who do you think it will be up to to save the Christians in the Middle East? You guessed it, Christian mercenaries. Sound familiar? History repeats itself.
As I remember it was Christianity's response to CONVERT or DIE.
Other than that, they seem pretty lame.
Also, pretty sure they that use the sword will perish by the sword...is any of this sounding familiar?
As a Catholic I freely admit the mistakes of the pre-medieval and medieval Catholic Church.
Although the Church was not always right, it was more right than any other secular power
during those years, and indeed more right than any other religious power. Non-Catholics
are quick to judge the Church's actions without full information and with bias and hindsight.
Deeper research reveals the Church, when able to fully control actions within its domains
(as opposed to monarchs and movements which resisted papal authority and acted on their own)
was a generally benevolent entity. There is much to learn about the misdeeds and socially
deleterious activities of Cathars, and pagan tribes, such as marauding barbarians and pre-Christians
all across Europe. These people were real threats to safety and civilization. Monasteries and
convents were blessings to the land and peoples who lived there, constantly under threat.
It was the Church which single-handedly made learning and human development possible,
founded the first universities, legal due process, and brought moral order to the age.
Please no retorts, I know what I've said is true.
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Originally Posted by Snowball7
Although the Church was not always right, it was more right than any other secular power
during those years, and indeed more right than any other religious power. Non-Catholics
are quick to judge the Church's actions without full information and with bias and hindsight.
Deeper research reveals the Church, when able to fully control actions within its domains
(as opposed to monarchs and movements which resisted papal authority and acted on their own)
was a generally benevolent entity. There is much to learn about the misdeeds and socially
deleterious activities of Cathars, and pagan tribes, such as marauding barbarians and pre-Christians
all across Europe. These people were real threats to safety and civilization. Monasteries and
convents were blessings to the land and peoples who lived there, constantly under threat.
It was the Church which single-handedly made learning and human development possible,
founded the first universities, legal due process, and brought moral order to the age.
Please no retorts, I know what I've said is true.
“There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.”
The Crusades were caused by Moslems capturing the traditional trade routes to India and China and charging exorbitant transit fees. This caused two things, military intervention to re-open the routes, and efforts to find a water passage to the east. It's much more complicated than that, but in essence that's what happened.
“There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.”
Richard Lederer
The Catholic Church is the most important entity regarding the success of Western Civilization.
They preserved knowledge by copying texts in monasteries, established the University system and promoted education and the arts, science, architecture, etc.
Sure, at times they demonstrated the ignorance of men from that era, but the good was greater than the bad by far. Europe and America would be no different than the Middle East if not for the church.
Modern day Catholics are not medieval thinking anymore. That lifestyle is now the domain of other sects.
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The role of the Catholic Church in Western civilization has been intricately intertwined with the history and formation of Western society. Through its long history, the church has been a major source of social services like schooling and medical care; inspiration for Western art, culture and philosophy; and influential player in politics and religion. In various ways it has sought to affect Western attitudes to vice and virtue in diverse fields. It has, over many centuries, promulgated the teachings of Jesus within the Western World and remains a source of continuity linking modern Western culture to classical Western culture.
While the West is no longer universally Catholic, the Catholic heritage remains strong in Western countries: festivals like Easter and Christmas are marked universally as public holidays; Pope Gregory XIII's Gregorian Calendar has been adopted internationally as the civil calendar; and time itself is measured by the West from the assumed date of the birth of the Church's founder, Jesus of Nazareth: the Year One AD (Anno Domini, and not year "0" which doesn't exist in this system).
WIKI
Entire books have been written on this subject:
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5.0 out of 5 stars A non-Catholic's View of a Good Book About a Great Civilization-James E. Egolf,
Thomas Woods' book titled HOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUILD WESTERN CIVILIZATION is an unanswerable antidote to anti-Catholic bashers and their mindless sychophants. Prof. Woods provides a compelling case that Western Civilization could not have thrived without the valuable achievements of the Catholic Church over the past 2,000 years.
“There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.”
Richard Lederer
1989: He was elected International Punster of the Year in 1989 and was the 2002 recipient of the Golden Gavel of Toastmasters International.
1989: He taught English and media at the St. Paul's School (Episcopal) in Concord, New Hampshire for 27 years until 1989, where he served as the first Jewish head of a department.
'nuff said.
Ideally religious folks should be anti-war. Before the conversion of Constantine Christians were persecuted off and on. Afterwards, when Christianity was the order of the day in Europe the Church persecuted those that were not Christian. As a Catholic I freely admit the mistakes of the pre-medieval and medieval Catholic Church.
I see the issue of war for geopolitical reasons and war conducted by non-Christians. I don't like the concept of a Christian going to war.
“There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.”
Richard Lederer
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Originally Posted by Snowball7
1989: He was elected International Punster of the Year in 1989 and was the 2002 recipient of the Golden Gavel of Toastmasters International.
1989: He taught English and media at the St. Paul's School (Episcopal) in Concord, New Hampshire for 27 years until 1989, where he served as the first Jewish head of a department.
'nuff said.
He is also a fellow Mensan and extremely knowledgeable. His linguistic skills are a constant entertainment in our Mensa Bulletin . . . but they in no way denigrate his vast knowledge of many subjects. The Dark Ages epitomize the evil of illiteracy and ignorance. The RCC cannot acknowledge their heinous history of inquisitions, genocide and corruption and still pretend to any special Godly inspiration and superior position, IMO.
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