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The men in charge of the Church had a medieval mindset. These men not Gods. Men are prone to make mistakes.
Do you think the USA is a crappy country because it killed Indians, enslaved blacks, massacred filipinos, etc.
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Of course not!
If you are of German ancestry----are you responsible for the Holocaust?
No, you are not.
Blaming the Church of today for things that happen in medieval times is complete ridiculous.
Again you are ignoring the facts.
The Church leadership was corrupt to the core. The people led by it were not the issue, just as German's, except those who participated or approved of the holocaust, were not corrupt or responsible.
The Church leadership was corrupt and power hungry and still is. Now if someone follows them closely, promotes them as God's leaders, they are encouraging people to obey the same kind of corrupt leadership. That has never changed.
You may have heard the thought that you do not get good fruit from a bad tree.
You are just using words to make your post look better. I have said "at nauseam" I acknowledge the errors of the Church. What did you expect from medieval men? Basically the same violence that is glorified in the Old Testament.
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The Church leadership was corrupt to the core.
Sure, they were bad Popes! The Church was so successful that it attracted men that were not truly dedicated to serve God. No different than the modern day Evangelicals of this era that run MegaChurches and live like Kings and Queens. Does that mean the Protestant Church is no GOOD? Of course not!
There are many priests that are or pedophiles. DO you even acknowledge that there are pedophiles in other denominations? I am not trying to use the old worn out excuse "it happens elsewhere". But, it actually happens.
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In 1990, the Freedom from Religion Foundation issued a study on pedophilia by clergy. At that time, two clergy per week were being arrested in North America for sex crimes against children. Fifty-eight percent of them were Protestant.
Why do we largely overlook the horrific pattern of Protestant pedophilia and sexual exploitation? Here are a few factors to consider:
The Catholic Church is easier to think of as a monolithic entity. That means it is easier for the press to cohere the abuse incidents into a single story and our brains to grok it. The idea of one big conspiracy appeals to us: "The Church" did it and then covered it up.
The centralized hierarchy of Catholicism makes Catholic offenders easier to sue and guarantees deep pockets. The lawsuits in turn both generate their own news cycle and bring victims out of the closet.
Since most Americans are Protestants, the Catholic sex abuse scandal is a story about "them." Protestant Pedophilia is a story about "us," which makes it less gratifying and more uncomfortable.
You are just using words to make your post look better. I have said "at nauseam" I acknowledge the errors of the Church. What did you expect from medieval men? Basically the same violence that is glorified in the Old Testament.
Sure, they were bad Popes! The Church was so successful that it attracted men that were not truly dedicated to serve God. No different than the modern day Evangelicals of this era that run MegaChurches and live like Kings and Queens. Does that mean the Protestant Church is no GOOD? Of course not!
There are many priests that are or pedophiles. DO you even acknowledge that there are pedophiles in other denominations? I am not trying to use the old worn out excuse "it happens elsewhere". But, it actually happens.
Do you see me saying all Protestants are corrupt because some Ministers are perverts? Of course not!
Bad popes bad cardinals, bad, bishops, bad priests, bad protestant ministers, all bad, all Weeds. The corruption had dominated the Churches for centuries. Bad fruitage shows they are not Christs ministers at all.
Bad popes bad cardinals, bad, bishops, bad priests, bad protestant ministers, all bad, all Weeds. The corruption had dominated the Churches for centuries. Bad fruitage shows they are not Christs ministers at all.
Yes, men and women tend to be sinners, some more than others. Only Jesus was free of sin.
To expect perfection from Church leaders is unrealistic. Luckily, there are some good ones, but they are still sinners.
"The Crusades may be causing more devastation today than they ever did in the three centuries when most of them were fought, according to one expert. "
This article is about the myths that surround the Crusades.
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The bottom line: this world is ruled by bullies through violence by those who desire to be King and rule over others. It is a fact in every culture, nation, sect, religion and group. This thread is a waste of time. The meek shall inherit the earth.
Yes, men and women tend to be sinners, some more than others. Only Jesus was free of sin.
To expect perfection from Church leaders is unrealistic. Luckily, there are some good ones, but they are still sinners.
Perfection is not the issue, weeds are and the Catholic Church was full of such. Were some individuals not weeds, yes but the Church was dominated by the weeds and the fruit shows it. Were good deeds done, sure, but Islam has good deeds. The issue is the wickedness tolerated and promoted by the leadership and foisted on the members.You can see that in the Protestant Churches as well. It isn't individuals it is the totality of the leadership as a group. Just as Jesus condemned the Pharisees, yet a few individual Pharisees believed in him. The group was corrupt. Ditto today for such churches, and for centuries past.
Perfection is not the issue, weeds are and the Catholic Church was full of such. Were some individuals not weeds, yes but the Church was dominated by the weeds and the fruit shows it. Were good deeds done, sure, but Islam has good deeds. The issue is the wickedness tolerated and promoted by the leadership and foisted on the members.You can see that in the Protestant Churches as well. It isn't individuals it is the totality of the leadership as a group. Just as Jesus condemned the Pharisees, yet a few individual Pharisees believed in him. The group was corrupt. Ditto today for such churches, and for centuries past.
I take exception to that. I will not say the Catholic Church is dominated by weeds, no way.
The main concern now it on Muslims and Islam. What will the leaders do with the radicals who are persecuting and killing other religions in an effort to dominate the world?
I take exception to that. I will not say the Catholic Church is dominated by weeds, no way.
The main concern now it on Muslims and Islam. What will the leaders do with the radicals who are persecuting and killing other religions in an effort to dominate the world?
Not to worry.
The Catholic Church is still the greatest institution in Western Civilization.
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