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Old 10-09-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I could say Kleptomania is in the DNA. It is part of their being. Does that mean society should excuse their behavior and let them steal?

With your logic, Kleptomania can not be a sin.
Poor analogy. Kleptomania is definitely sin against others. How is homosexuality a negative influence on your life?

In fact, it is a "positive" influence, because you can "positively" say that God hates gays while meaning in your heart of hearts that God doesn't hate you--when He does. Your sin, whatever it is--and it's there--is as positively disgusting to God as homosexuality is to you.

Why then are you concerned about the splinter in the other man's eye when you won't even address the plank in your own?

P.S. The principle of leaving judgment to God is taught in the Bible as well--and ignored continuously by fundies.
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I could say Kleptomania is in the DNA. It is part of their being. Does that mean society should excuse their behavior and let them steal?

With your logic, Kleptomania can not be a sin.
Has science proven kleptomania is in DNA?
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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Homosexuals are created by God. Homosexuality is in DNA. Homosexuality is sin. God did not put sin in anyone.


Do you see the flaw with this logic? It contradicts itself.
It contradicts itself because what you posted is not true. Neither is it representative of what I said.

God directly created Adam without sin. He created Eve directly from Adam. They sinned and corrupted themselves and all that come from them through physical birth. The resulting corruption is not from God.

Everyone is corrupted in some way, but it's not from God.
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Old 10-09-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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If you want to set your personal priorities by perceptions in the Bible, go for it. My question, for which I have received no valid answer is "on what basis should you impose your perceptions on others when there has been no indication of harm resulting from committed same sex relationships?"


As to the OP, no explanation of the values of relationship is going to overcome the prejudice of the ones claiming biblical authority and as far as society is concerned the OP is asking the wrong question.
Maybe I have not said it clearly to you directly. We shouldn't impose. Unbelievers can not change (or withhold themselves from sin) on their own. They need Christ.

The OP was intended to look at this from a design and relevancy standpoint - and to get other real answers besides insults. Mostly here - I have gotten...

  • It's none of my business
  • The Bible doesn't matter
  • Animals do it.
  • Stay out of their bedroom
  • It's not harmful and it hurts no one
  • It is normal
  • Jesus Himself said nothing about it
  • It's in the DNA
  • God created homosexuals

What am I missing?

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Old 10-09-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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Poor analogy. Kleptomania is definitely sin against others. How is homosexuality a negative influence on your life?

In fact, it is a "positive" influence, because you can "positively" say that God hates gays while meaning in your heart of hearts that God doesn't hate you--when He does. Your sin, whatever it is--and it's there--is as positively disgusting to God as homosexuality is to you.

Why then are you concerned about the splinter in the other man's eye when you won't even address the plank in your own?

P.S. The principle of leaving judgment to God is taught in the Bible as well--and ignored continuously by fundies.

"Positive" vs "negative" is merely a matter of personal opinion or perspective. I am willing to bet that the Christian wedding cake baker who lost their business certainly thinks homosexuality had a negative influence.

God does hate all sin, but as Christians, we are called to repentance and can be forgiven. Paul even instructs us to cut off fellowship with other Christians if they continue in a sinful lifestyle. See 1 Corinthians 5:11-13.

A homosexual lifestyle is willful constant resistance to repenting and turning away from the sin. You are wrong in that the Bible never teaches us to judge. Verses like 2 Timothy 2:25-26 instruct believers to correct people who are headed down the path of destruction. And how do you explain John 7:24 which talks about judging with righteous judgement?
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Old 10-09-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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Does stealing harm others in a society? Yes.

Does someone being in a homosexual relationship harm others in a society? No.
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While anyone who has sex can get an STD, sexually active gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are at greater risk. In addition to having higher rates of syphilis, more than half of all new HIV infections occur among MSM. Many factors contribute to the higher rates of STDs among MSM:
Higher rates of HIV and STDs among MSM increase a person’s risk of coming into contact with an infected partner and becoming infected themselves.
Certain behaviors- such as not using condoms regularly and having anal sex - increase STD risk.
Homophobia, stigma, and discrimination can negatively influence the health of gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men.


Gay Men and STDs | Sexually Transmitted Diseases | CDC


Are you going to tell me spreading STDS is not harmful for society?
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Old 10-09-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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Are you going to tell me spreading STDS is not harmful for society?
You do know straight Christians get STDs, right?
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Old 10-09-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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Are you going to tell me spreading STDS is not harmful for society?
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You do know straight Christians get STDs, right?

Right, so should straight relationships be banned, too?

If anything, this speaks to monogamy being beneficial, whether straight or gay.
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Old 10-09-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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You do know straight Christians get STDs, right?
And exactly how does that take away from the factual point that homosexual behavior is much more dangerous and spreads diseases a lot more?

Besides, the odds of a Christian couple (married as virgins and remaining faithful) contracting a STD is very very low.
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Old 10-09-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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Do you seriously believe that people think sexual sins are more offensive than murder? Really?
I'm so glad to be an atheist homosexual with no gawd to answer to.

In order to not appear to be a troll, I guess I will have to come up with something OT, so....if your gawd invented everybody, he also invented homosexuals, thereby making the associated behavior valid. You don't actually believe homosexual theists sit around playing canista every night do you?

With everything your bible forbids, why are theists always stuck on one or two things?
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