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I am new here on this site and I like it much.
I also have a question, one of the things I just can't understand, comprehend. Here it is:
1. Is God=Jesus=Holy Spirit? ( = means the very same, one here in this case)
2. If God=Jesus=Holy Spirit, then was Jesus talking to Himself when He talked to God=Jesus? Or how can those situations be explained?
3. and if God said about Jesus 'He is my Son...' then why could Jesus claim 'The Father and I are one'? How can the Son and Father be one?
Or what does one mean in those cases?
I am here to seek honestly for Bible based answers and I really wish to know the answers!
I don't believe there is an "explanation" in the Bible. For myself, I liken it to a marriage. There is my husband and myself, 2 individual people, but our union makes us One.
I am new here on this site and I like it much.
I also have a question, one of the things I just can't understand, comprehend. Here it is:
1. Is God=Jesus=Holy Spirit? ( = means the very same, one here in this case)
2. If God=Jesus=Holy Spirit, then was Jesus talking to Himself when He talked to God=Jesus? Or how can those situations be explained?
3. and if God said about Jesus 'He is my Son...' then why could Jesus claim 'The Father and I are one'? How can the Son and Father be one?
Or what does one mean in those cases?
I am here to seek honestly for Bible based answers and I really wish to know the answers!
God bless you,
Agnes
Father (God) Son(Jesus) Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit)
God, the Alpha and Omega, His son on earth, his physical manifestation on earth, The Holy Spirit, the comfortor of believers that lives in us. As explained to me at my communion as a childAll who believe in him will not perish but will have everlasting life, you can call on him to dwell in you.
Isaiah prophesied and Matthew quotes him: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Immanuel--which means 'God with us'" (Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23).
When Jesus was born the angel told the shepherds: "Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Jesus accepted Thomas's words when "Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'" (John 20:28)
The Apostle John wrote: "We are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life" (1 John 5:20).
The Apostle Paul wrote (Colossians 2:9): "...In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."
Paul charged the elders of the church at Ephesus: "Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood" (Acts 20:28). When Jesus' blood was shed, God's blood was shed. God (in the person of Jesus) bought the church with his own blood.
CONCERNING THE HOLY SPIRIT, he played a role in the conception of Jesus, was present at Jesus baptism, and is active in every baptism:
Luke 1:35 - "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God." Notice that all three Persons of the Trinity are mentioned.
Matthew 3:16,17 tells us that at Jesus' baptism the Spirit descended, the Father spoke from heaven, acknowledging the Son who was baptized. All three Persons were present and active.
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus commissioned his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one undivided God and that he is Father, Son and Holy Spirit--three Persons. This is a summary of what the Bible teaches about who God is. It is also a great mystery and cannot be explained in terms of mathematics or physics.
Agnes;
There is no condemnation for various beliefs, except to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. When you see embittered responses you can be sure that does not represent a Christian attitude.
Jude 1:5 Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts, once for all ) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.
Read Jude... this book deals with false teachers in the early Church.
Remember... Pro 26:12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Agnes;
There is no condemnation for various beliefs, except to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. When you see embittered responses you can be sure that does not represent a Christian attitude.
"O generation of vipers [SNAKES], how can you, being evil, speak good things?" (Matt. 12:34).
"Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But He [Jesus] answered and said unto them, "WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION?... YOU HYPOCRITES..." (Matt. 15:3 & 7).
"But He [Jesus] answered and said, It is not good to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs" (Matt. 15:26).
Did Jesus have a"christian attitude " Dave?
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Read Jude... this book deals with false teachers in the early Church.
Better yet,read the words of our Lord to the false teachers and pious religous leaders( leaders of the church) of his day!
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Remember... Pro 26:12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
"For the wisdom [the ‘wisdom’ mind you, not the ‘foolishness’]…the wisdom of this world is foolishness [Gk: ‘stupidity’] with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness" (I Cor. 3:19).
I would be happy to discuss anything you like.[/quote]
I am new here on this site and I like it much.
I also have a question, one of the things I just can't understand, comprehend. Here it is:
1. Is God=Jesus=Holy Spirit? ( = means the very same, one here in this case)
2. If God=Jesus=Holy Spirit, then was Jesus talking to Himself when He talked to God=Jesus? Or how can those situations be explained?
3. and if God said about Jesus 'He is my Son...' then why could Jesus claim 'The Father and I are one'? How can the Son and Father be one?
Or what does one mean in those cases?
I am here to seek honestly for Bible based answers and I really wish to know the answers!
God bless you,
Agnes
This topic has been discussed and debated many times on this forum, and throughout Christianity for hundreds of years. I doubt we'll resolve it hear.
I have attached the Roman Catholic view. Take want you want from it.
It is a great mystery, and the mere reflection and meditation on which is profound.
I am new here on this site and I like it much.
I also have a question, one of the things I just can't understand, comprehend. Here it is:
1. Is God=Jesus=Holy Spirit? ( = means the very same, one here in this case)
2. If God=Jesus=Holy Spirit, then was Jesus talking to Himself when He talked to God=Jesus? Or how can those situations be explained?
3. and if God said about Jesus 'He is my Son...' then why could Jesus claim 'The Father and I are one'? How can the Son and Father be one?
Or what does one mean in those cases?
I am here to seek honestly for Bible based answers and I really wish to know the answers!
God bless you,
Agnes
When Stephen was martyred in Acts, he speaks of seeing God. With Jesus standing at His right. Two individual persons.
Jesus taught and desires for us all to be one with Him and the Father. Therefore there is a potential infinity, not a trinity....worlds without end.
There is no teaching of Trinity in the KJV scriptures. It is a man made concept with calvinist projections mixed with years of traditions.
There is no teaching of Trinity in the KJV scriptures. It is a man made concept with calvinist projections mixed with years of traditions.
You do realize that the King James Version is "man made" from "years of traditions?"
The Bible came from the Church, not the Church from the Bible. The Church came from Christ Himself, so when the Church speaks, it behooves us to pay attention.
I don't believe there is an "explanation" in the Bible. For myself, I liken it to a marriage. There is my husband and myself, 2 individual people, but our union makes us One.
I agree. It is the mystical union between the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost -- as a collective one (ECHAD).
ONE IN UNITY is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife were called ONE by God. How can the two in number, be One? This is possible only in the sense of UNITY. We can understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that the thousands can be one like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be one in this sense according to John 17:21.
So the bottom-line is Trinity apologetics group believes that God is one in Number. It’s a belief that even the Oneness people and the Unitarians could relate to. Whereas, I believe that God is one in Unity. The Elohim (The plural of Eloah, God), who is one in Unity. Deuteronomy 6:4 attests to this fact:
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH) our God (Elohim, plural referring to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, who were all individually called God), is ONE (united) LORD.
God Bless
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