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Old 07-10-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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It is a sin to condone of sin. Woe to them who call good evil and evil good.
Saint Paul is not saying that those guilty of the evils as described in Romans 1:1-32
are to be put to death by men, he is saying that the death they will receive is what
they deserve. Those who do those things are not of Christ and are not to be kept
in the community, but excommunicated.
Matthew 10:13-15 (also Luke 10:11, Mark 6:11, Acts 13:51)
"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."
Paulie went against almost everything Christ stood for. He allowed -- no -- he FORCED his views on the newly forming church and undermined the gospel of Christ and replaced it with he gospel of Paulie..
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Old 07-11-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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Your Jesus is a bible and you obviously do not know the one it testifies of.

I disagree--I know who Jehovah is as well as who Jesus is--Do you?
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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Paulie went against almost everything Christ stood for. He allowed -- no -- he FORCED his views on the newly forming church and undermined the gospel of Christ and replaced it with he gospel of Paulie..
Your statement is completely false.
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Your statement is completely false.
Not...only from a fundie twisted POV. In reality, it is all too correct..
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Not...only from a fundie twisted POV. In reality, it is all too correct..
No, also from a clearer perception of what Paul taught and what some of the interjections like the one about women being silent in the church were. Paul was emphatic where he should not have been, but what he actually taught was not counter to what Jesus did.
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: New England
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I believe Paul like the rest of us evolved in his believing. No one gets the full revelation of God over night. He also came to a point where he said he counted all things that he had as a believer in God to be a loss and worthless so that he could know the source of all Life, which is Christ in him. He didn't say he wanted to know the bible or know Christ by believing the bible, he wanted to know Christ. You would think Paul had lost it with a comment like that.... what do you mean Paul know Christ,you believe in Jesus don't you, what's up with you?.
I also believe that he never wanted his letters or any letter that is in the bible to be inerrant or infallible .
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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No, also from a clearer perception of what Paul taught and what some of the interjections like the one about women being silent in the church were. Paul was emphatic where he should not have been, but what he actually taught was not counter to what Jesus did.
Seriously? Your reading of the Paulie epistles resulted in this understanding? Of course you are entitles to be wrong...( ) but that does not mean like the evangelical fundies you can proclaim the Paulie delusions as gospel to be accepted by everyone..

Paul's ideas compared to the words of Christ

Of course most of us are aware of comparative writings such as the one linked above, so ultimately it becomes the readers' / believers' decisions to what they feel is acceptable.
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Old 07-13-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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Your Jesus is a bible and you obviously do not know the one it testifies of.
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Old 07-13-2015, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Seriously? Your reading of the Paulie epistles resulted in this understanding? Of course you are entitles to be wrong...( ) but that does not mean like the evangelical fundies you can proclaim the Paulie delusions as gospel to be accepted by everyone..

Paul's ideas compared to the words of Christ

Of course most of us are aware of comparative writings such as the one linked above, so ultimately it becomes the readers' / believers' decisions to what they feel is acceptable.
Well, since we don't accept them as "gospel" in any case, the point really is where understanding matches our understanding of Christ. Paul does get somewhat convoluted in his thought processes, but he really does teach the same ideas. It IS a new paradigm (Covenant). I pretty much discount the formulations of the Judaizers on the matter.
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