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You know, it just occurred to me what you're really doing. The Torah is a lunar based covenant, the Torah is explicit on what sin is, and the moon still glides in the sky because it has not been done away with, just as He said it wouldn't be, for a season. What you, and others like you seeking to skirt the truth of a matter are actually doing, is the same as denying the moon is in the sky. Which, come to think of it, is why He said they would be without excuse because the heavens declare His glory/nature.
No doubt you won't, because just like Pharaoh you've hardened your heart, but if I were you I'd really think about shaking my fist at G-d and trying to tell Him you didn't see the moon up there. I don't think that record will play...Blessings....
Pseudo-deepity-babble is still babble, even if supposedly based on biblical, pseudo-deepity-babble.
I feel sorry for you and others similarly afflicted.
The above by kjw47 is pure nonsense. So is the 'thumbs up' to that nonsense post as given by Rbbi1.
You know, what is really unnerving is knowing that the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is believed implicitly by many of those who would normally be seen as 'intelligent'!
Moreover, these 'intelligent' individuals use this piece of biblical fiction to make homosexual people feel 'abominable' being in their own skins. It's disgraceful and it has to stop!!
The birth of Jesus was heralded by a heavenly sign in 6-5 B.C., which was the triple conjunction of the planets, Jupiter, Mars and Saturn, which combined gravitational force captured a comet and flung it in toward our sun, that comet was observed by the wise men in 5 B.C., and led them to the ‘HOUSE’ of Mary in Nazareth.
Could that same comet or part thereof have also heralded the death of Jesus?
In a remote part of Russia, on June 30, 1908, there occurred a terrific air blast, now widely known as the Tunguska event. This event is believed to have been caused by an incoming asteroid (or comet), which never actually struck Earth but instead exploded in the atmosphere, causing what is known as an air burst, three to six miles (5–10 kilometers) above Earth’s surface.
That explosion released enough energy to kill reindeer and flatten trees for many kilometers around the blast site. But no crater was ever found.
Jesus was nailed to the cross at 9AM, three hours later at the stroke of mid-day,12 PM, Darkness covered the city for three hours. This was not a normal eclipse, the longest of which lasts for only about 7 minutes.
This had to be an incoming heavenly object which remained between the sun and Jerusalem, blanketing the city in darkness for three hours. At 3 PM, as the sun appeared once more, there was a terrific blast that rocked the mountains and tore the great Curtain in the temple from top to bottom.
This was not an earth quake, but an air blast, over the desert country on the eastern side of the Jordan, which was consistent with the Tunguska-like fireball over Russia, but unlike Sjberia, that desert country does not have any forests, and like the air blast over Russia, did not create any crater as evidence of that event.
An article from Carl Sagan’s book ‘COSMOS.’ “A comet is made mostly of ice-water (H2O) ice, with a little methane (CH4) ice, and some ammonia (NH3) ice. Striking the Earth's atmosphere, a modest cometary fragment would produce a great radiant fireball and a mighty blast wave, which would burn trees, level forests and be heard around the world. But it might not make much of a crater in the ground. The ices would all be melted during entry. There would be few recognizable pieces of the comet left perhaps only a smattering of small grains from the non-icy parts of the cometary nucleus. Recently, the Soviet scientist E. Sobotovich has identified a large number of tiny diamonds strewn over the Tunguska site. Such diamonds are already known to exist in meteorites that have survived impact, and that may originate ultimately from comets.”
Archaeologists have come up with a theory that in a region just north of the Dead Sea, the towns and population in that area, may have been obliterated by a Tunguska style airburst, some 3,700 years ago.
The theory is, that some 3,700 years ago, a meteor or comet exploded over the Middle East, annihilating all human life across a wide area of land north of the Dead Sea. Archaeologists who have found evidence of the cosmic airburst, say that this event was the cause of the destruction of Sodom and its surrounding cities, leaving the land unfit to be reoccupied for 500-600 years.
Tall el Hammam, is believed by archaeologists who have recently worked on that site to be the ancient City of the biblical Sodom, excavation of that site makes this absolutely clear that it was completely destroyed by a singular event. The archaeologist Steven Collins, in his book; “Discovering the city of Sodom” claims that Tall el-Hammam is the site of the ancient city of Sodom, whose destruction is part of an important Biblical episode related to the life of patriarch Abraham.
The birth of Jesus was heralded by a heavenly sign in 6-5 B.C., which was the triple conjunction of the planets, Jupiter, Mars and Saturn, which combined gravitational force captured a comet and flung it in toward our sun, that comet was observed by the wise men in 5 B.C., and led them to the ‘HOUSE’ of Mary in Nazareth.
Could that same comet or part thereof have also heralded the death of Jesus?
In a remote part of Russia, on June 30, 1908, there occurred a terrific air blast, now widely known as the Tunguska event. This event is believed to have been caused by an incoming asteroid (or comet), which never actually struck Earth but instead exploded in the atmosphere, causing what is known as an air burst, three to six miles (5–10 kilometers) above Earth’s surface.
That explosion released enough energy to kill reindeer and flatten trees for many kilometers around the blast site. But no crater was ever found.
Jesus was nailed to the cross at 9AM, three hours later at the stroke of mid-day,12 PM, Darkness covered the city for three hours. This was not a normal eclipse, the longest of which lasts for only about 7 minutes.
This had to be an incoming heavenly object which remained between the sun and Jerusalem, blanketing the city in darkness for three hours. At 3 PM, as the sun appeared once more, there was a terrific blast that rocked the mountains and tore the great Curtain in the temple from top to bottom.
This was not an earth quake, but an air blast, over the desert country on the eastern side of the Jordan, which was consistent with the Tunguska-like fireball over Russia, but unlike Sjberia, that desert country does not have any forests, and like the air blast over Russia, did not create any crater as evidence of that event.
An article from Carl Sagan’s book ‘COSMOS.’ “A comet is made mostly of ice-water (H2O) ice, with a little methane (CH4) ice, and some ammonia (NH3) ice. Striking the Earth's atmosphere, a modest cometary fragment would produce a great radiant fireball and a mighty blast wave, which would burn trees, level forests and be heard around the world. But it might not make much of a crater in the ground. The ices would all be melted during entry. There would be few recognizable pieces of the comet left perhaps only a smattering of small grains from the non-icy parts of the cometary nucleus. Recently, the Soviet scientist E. Sobotovich has identified a large number of tiny diamonds strewn over the Tunguska site. Such diamonds are already known to exist in meteorites that have survived impact, and that may originate ultimately from comets.”
Archaeologists have come up with a theory that in a region just north of the Dead Sea, the towns and population in that area, may have been obliterated by a Tunguska style airburst, some 3,700 years ago.
The theory is, that some 3,700 years ago, a meteor or comet exploded over the Middle East, annihilating all human life across a wide area of land north of the Dead Sea. Archaeologists who have found evidence of the cosmic airburst, say that this event was the cause of the destruction of Sodom and its surrounding cities, leaving the land unfit to be reoccupied for 500-600 years.
Tall el Hammam, is believed by archaeologists who have recently worked on that site to be the ancient City of the biblical Sodom, excavation of that site makes this absolutely clear that it was completely destroyed by a singular event. The archaeologist Steven Collins, in his book; “Discovering the city of Sodom” claims that Tall el-Hammam is the site of the ancient city of Sodom, whose destruction is part of an important Biblical episode related to the life of patriarch Abraham.
THE STAR
It wasn't a comet, meteor or supernova in a distant galaxy.
It was the Herald of the birth of the Son of God. (def: A herald is a person who gives a sign or announcement - a harbinger.)
READ THE BIBLE.
Matthew chapter 2 chronicles the journey of three men from the east. The star appeared at a specific time and went before them as they traveled from the east. They followed the star until it stood OVER THE BUILDING where Jesus had been born.
It may also be of interest for the reader to know that according to the books of Exodus and Leviticus THE ONLY WAY for mankind to approach God is FROM THE EAST. Matthew 2 is thus an additional commentary as to the identity of the newborn child.
NO STAR behaves in the fashion described in Matthew 2. None at all.
Astronomers have attempted to explain it for years without success. The truth obviously points to something else - that it wasn't a real star. The object looked like a star (a small point of light), but no star can hover in front of travelers over hundreds of miles and hover over a single building in a village.
There is absolutely NO explanation of astronomical science that can explain this activity. That it was a real star remains unproven. It was obviously something that looked like a star.
An angel, perhaps? The suggestion that the leading star may have been an angel is far more likely than that it was some sort of atmospheric aberration.
The above by kjw47 is pure nonsense. So is the 'thumbs up' to that nonsense post as given by Rbbi1.
You know, what is really unnerving is knowing that the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is believed implicitly by many of those who would normally be seen as 'intelligent'!
Moreover, these 'intelligent' individuals use this piece of biblical fiction to make homosexual people feel 'abominable' being in their own skins. It's disgraceful and it has to stop!!
Any having sex out of marriage is unacceptable sin to Gods view. 1Corinthians 6:9-11) many other unacceptable sins listed there as well. Yet the majority on earth do one or more.
1Thess 4:3--Its Gods will that one abstains from fornication.
Rev 22:15-- Rev 21:8
Any having sex out of marriage is unacceptable sin to Gods view. 1Corinthians 6:9-11) many other unacceptable sins listed there as well. Yet the majority on earth do one or more.
1Thess 4:3--Its Gods will that one abstains from fornication.
Rev 22:15-- Rev 21:8
Then your god-thing really blew it by making naughty-bit meshing feel good, didn't it?
You know, it just occurred to me what you're really doing. The Torah is a lunar based covenant, the Torah is explicit on what sin is, and the moon still glides in the sky because it has not been done away with, just as He said it wouldn't be, for a season. What you, and others like you seeking to skirt the truth of a matter are actually doing, is the same as denying the moon is in the sky. Which, come to think of it, is why He said they would be without excuse because the heavens declare His glory/nature.
No doubt you won't, because just like Pharaoh you've hardened your heart, but if I were you I'd really think about shaking my fist at G-d and trying to tell Him you didn't see the moon up there. I don't think that record will play...Blessings....
It is more lunar, but it is still a mixture of both, lunar and solar.
It wasn't a comet, meteor or supernova in a distant galaxy.
It was the Herald of the birth of the Son of God. (def: A herald is a person who gives a sign or announcement - a harbinger.)
READ THE BIBLE.
Matthew chapter 2 chronicles the journey of three men from the east. The star appeared at a specific time and went before them as they traveled from the east. They followed the star until it stood OVER THE BUILDING where Jesus had been born.
It may also be of interest for the reader to know that according to the books of Exodus and Leviticus THE ONLY WAY for mankind to approach God is FROM THE EAST. Matthew 2 is thus an additional commentary as to the identity of the newborn child.
NO STAR behaves in the fashion described in Matthew 2. None at all.
Astronomers have attempted to explain it for years without success. The truth obviously points to something else - that it wasn't a real star. The object looked like a star (a small point of light), but no star can hover in front of travelers over hundreds of miles and hover over a single building in a village.
There is absolutely NO explanation of astronomical science that can explain this activity. That it was a real star remains unproven. It was obviously something that looked like a star.
An angel, perhaps? The suggestion that the leading star may have been an angel is far more likely than that it was some sort of atmospheric aberration.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Choir Loft wrote...…. THE STAR
It wasn't a comet, meteor or supernova in a distant galaxy.
It was the Herald of the birth of the Son of God. (def: A herald is a person who gives a sign or announcement - a harbinger.)
The Anointed...…. Herald--def: A person or thing that announces or gives indication of something to come—a harbinger) See Universal Dictionary.
Choir Loft wrote...…. READ THE BIBLE.
Matthew chapter 2 chronicles the journey of three men from the east. The star appeared at a specific time and went before them as they traveled from the east. They followed the star until it stood OVER THE BUILDING where Jesus had been born.
It may also be of interest for the reader to know that according to the books of Exodus and Leviticus THE ONLY WAY for mankind to approach God is FROM THE EAST. Matthew 2 is thus an additional commentary as to the identity of the newborn child.
NO STAR behaves in the fashion described in Matthew 2. None at all.
The Anointed...…. In those days, comets were called ‘Hairy Stars.’ Pepi's pyramid at Saqqara contains a text referring to an "nhh-star" as a companion of the pharaoh in the heavens, where "nhh" is the hieroglyph for long hair.
It is said that Yehoshua/Jesus III, the grand-father of Mary, who was the high priest in Jerusalem from 36 to 23 BC, died 3 years before the birth of his grand-daughter, and knowing that Jehoshua was still alive in 23 BC, then the earliest that Mary could have been born is 20 BC. Three years after her grand-fathers death.
Herod the Great died in the spring [April] of 4 BC,] 16 years after the birth of Mary, and as Herod believed that the child Jesus, who he saw as a threat to his throne was about two years old, the age of all the male children that he commanded his men to kill, then the latest that Jesus could have been born, is 6 BC, which was the year of the triple conjunction of Jupiter, Mars and Saturn and two years before the death of Herod the Great, which would make Mary 14 years old when she gave birth to her firstborn son.
I could also use any of a number of authorities to supply evidence of the 6 BC triple conjunction of the "King Planet" Jupiter, with Mars, the “God of War” and Saturn the “God of Time,” who brings the golden age of peace to the earth, which I believe was read by the wise men as the sign that was prophesied to herald the birth of the promised King, who was to succeed to the throne of David the warrior king, as the prophesied Messianic King of Israel, who is to come and subdue the surrounding Nations and bring in the golden Age of one thousand years of peace.
As it was prophesied, that a heavenly event would herald the birth of the promised Messiah, we must ask if there was any significant heavenly event in 6 BC.
"Astronomy, Astrology, and the Star of Bethlehem." BY John Clevenger of the Lake Country Astronomical Society," which says as follows, "Did any unusual astronomical phenomenon occur between 8 and 2 BC? As it happens there were several notable celestial events during that period. The Chinese astronomic records, which have proven to be very reliable, reported two comets during that time. The comet of 5 BC which was visible for 70 days, was reported to have a tail. Professor Humphreys of Cambridge University believes that this comet, which he describes as having a vertical tail, appeared at the time of the Jewish Passover. Professor Humphreys believed that this started the Magi, who were knowledgeable of the Jewish prophecy recorded in the book of Micah, concerning the birth of a Jewish king, on their journey.
If right about the vertical tail, this could agree with the biblical account in Matthew that the "Star Stood Over" [The House] where the young child was". According to Professor Humphreys of Cambridge University, the term ‘STOOD OVER’ in ancient literature refers to comets and comets only.
The comet of 4 BC had no tail and whether it was a comet or a nova is unknown. If it was a nova in 4 BC, which is the death of a star, it would have coincided with the death of Herod the Great in that same year.
Choir Loft wrote...…. Astronomers have attempted to explain it for years without success. The truth obviously points to something else - that it wasn't a real star. The object looked like a star (a small point of light), but no star can hover in front of travelers over hundreds of miles and hover over a single building in a village.
There is absolutely NO explanation of astronomical science that can explain this activity. That it was a real star remains unproven. It was obviously something that looked like a star.
The Anointed...…. It certainly was something that looked like a star. It was a comet, which was called a Hairy Star.
The Comet of 5BC which is said to have a tail and remained visible to those in the northern hemisphere for 70 days and led the Magi to the child Jesus in Nazareth, would have been very similar to the comet Hale-Bopp in 1997.
Even up until relatively recent times, all short period comets, which have their aphelia in the orbit of Jupiter, were thought to have been created from material that had been expelled by the King planet Jupiter and were called, ‘The Family of Jupiter.’
The comet of 5 BC, which was captured by the gravitational pull of the triple conjunction, would have been seen early in the evening low to the eastern horizon by the Magi, as a star born of the brilliant King Planet Jupiter, each evening it would be seen in a slightly different position in the heavens, and with the back-ground of stars, moving to the north western horizon.
After some 70 days, early in the evening, it would be seen low to the western horizon as it slowly followed the setting sun.
Traveling from the east to the west, presumably, across the "Kings Highway" to Jerusalem, (A journey of at least two months) to pay homage to the new King, they went to the palace of Herod the Great, the then current ruler of Israel, expecting to find there, the young child whose birth had been heralded by the heavenly sign of 6 BC, the young child that they believed was the Messianic heir to the throne of David, and they asked, "where is the child that has been born to be King of the Jews." [Has been born/past tense]
After receiving verification from his priests that the prophesied King was to be born in Bethlehem of Judaea, Herod then called the visitors to a SECRET meeting (Matthew 2: 7.) and enquired of them the EXACT time that they had first seen the star which was to herald the birth of the long awaited king and savour, and it was in accordance with the information he received from the wise men, that he determined the age of the children who were to be slaughtered, (Matthew 2: 16.) "all the males who were two years of age and below."
Having been told that the child was to be born in Bethlehem of Judea, the wise men left the palace and the star/comet appeared once again, and Oh what joy was theirs, (Matthew 2: 9-10). Revealing that the comet had previously been hidden from their view, by clouds, dust, full moon or some other cause, and it was this star which was now seen in the North West that guided the wise men, not to Bethlehem of Judaea in the south, but to Nazareth of Galilee to the north of Jerusalem, which is only about two miles from Bethlehem of Galilee, now called 'Beitlahm.'.
On leaving the palace of Herod the Great in Jerusalem, the star appeared once again, but it was in the north west of Jerusalem, in which direction the wise men followed.
We can almost picture the scene, the wise men with their entourage travelling along the dusty roads of northern Israel, it’s late in the day and as they come to a rise, there, just above the distant horizon, in the deepening darkness of the evening sky, is the star with its tail streaming up into the heavens and appearing to stand over the small and insignificant hamlet of "Nazareth," as it slowly followed the setting sun.
The term "Stood Over" in ancient literature refers to comets and comets only. And we are told that the star stood over the HOUSE [Not the manger in Bethlehem of Judaea in which Jesus the baby had been born] and it was in that house in Nazareth, to which the family had returned 2 months after the ceremony of purification had been performed, in which the wise men found Mary with her child, who by then was well over 12 months old.
That night, after paying homage to the child Jesus, the wise men, who would presumably have travelled to Jerusalem across the Kings Highway, were warned in a dream not to reveal to Herod the child’s whereabouts, and they returned home by a different route from which they had come, which would, more than likely, have been up through the northern route of Damascus, and Joseph was also warned to get out of bed immediately and take the child and his mother and flee into Egypt.
Herod’s secret police had eyes and ears throughout the entire land, and when he realised that he had been tricked and the wise men were not going to return and reveal the child’s location as promised, he was furious and gave the order to kill all the male children in the district that Herod's spies had confirmed that the wise men with their entourage had travelled to, which was around Bethlehem of Galilee, who were two years and below according to the time that he learned from the wise men about when they had first sighted the star that had heralded the birth of the promised king and savour.
According to Josephus the historian, Sepphoris, which is only about 4 miles from Bethlehem of Galilee, which town is now called Beitlahm, and a few kilometers from Nazareth, had a population of around thirty thousand and he called it, "The Ornament of Galilee."
Around the time of Herod’s death in the spring of 4BC, two years after the birth of Jesus, and just after he had ordered the slaughter of the innocents around the district of Bethlehem of Galilee, who were two years and below, according to the time that the wise men had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of Jesus in 6 B.C. there were riots among the peasants of the area in Galilee of which Sepphoris was the centre. Judas, the son of Hezekias attacked the arsenal of Herod in the city of Sepphoris in order to arm the peasants.
The Romans under Quintillius Varus of Syria, attacked and burnt the city, putting down the uprising in which many families died and others were taken prisoner and transported to Rome, where they were sold as slaves. But Joseph, with his wife and her child had escaped the slaughter by fleeing into Egypt.
After a failed suicide attempt, which I believe may have been an option given to him by Caesar Augustus, in the spring of 4 BC, Herod the Great died, then in the spring of 3 B.C., after the death of Herod his father, when Antipas returned from Rome where his father’s will had been ratified by Augustus, he chose and rebuilt the magnificent city of Sepphoris as his capital city for ruling over Galilee.
Choir Loft wrote...…. An angel, perhaps? The suggestion that the leading star may have been an angel is far more likely than that it was some sort of atmospheric aberration.
The Anointed...….. Yea, righto. Was your angel riding a horse, or just hovering in front of the Magi, flapping it's wings for the two months that it would have taken the wise men to travel from Persia to Jerusalem.
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