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Davis was offered an accommodation, SHE REFUSED and that is why she went to jail. She didn't go to jail because the judge wouldn't offer an accommodation for her beliefs.
That's called an "inconvenience". They could have easily drove to another county to get it, or find another bakery instead of seeking to drive someone out of business.
Why should any taxpayer in the county be inconvenienced by driving , or taking a bus to another county when their county provides services they already pay for?
I would be in court if I were told to drive 60 miles to the next county to obtain services.
That's called an "inconvenience". They could have easily drove to another county to get it, or find another bakery instead of seeking to drive someone out of business.
Which goes back to the "I want to hurt them" attitude. As opposed to walking across the street to another bakery, then choose to go to court.
The judge specifically offered her the ability to not personally issue any licenses as long as she allowed other in the office to issue them. She REFUSED that accommodation and that is why she went to jail in the first place.
The judge specifically offered her the ability to not personally issue any licenses as long as she allowed other in the office to issue them. She REFUSED that accommodation and that is why she went to jail in the first place.
Fundies rarely let facts get in the way of a persecution rant.
That's called an "inconvenience". They could have easily drove to another county to get it, or find another bakery instead of seeking to drive someone out of business.
In your mind a reasonable accomodation is that not only does she get to refuse to issue the license but is allowed to refuse to allow her clerks to issue the license as well? And in exchange you will allow the gays to the right to go to another county or state or country to get their license? How in any objective view is that an accomodation? It is allowing her to have her way totally and the gays nothing in exchange.
You are always calling for accomodation but it sure sounds that you want people in private and public sector the right to discriminate against gays and in exchange the gays have the right to try to find someone who will serve them. With that type of law no anti discrimination laws are needed, it is up to the person being discriminated to accept discrimination and hope to find goods and services somewhere else. Sure right now the other counties were obeying the law but once you annouce that everyone can use their religious freedoms to discriminate against who they please how long before other counties have people exercising that right?
And once again you falsely accuse people of seeking to drive a bakery out of business. False because in both well know cases that is not what happened and in the Oregon case the women were surprised to find out he would not bake their cake. This is according to the baker's own testimony. But don't let facts stop your Christian persecution complex. On the positive note though if your view carried the day in the matter of law, Christians could actually be discriminated against. The ninth commandment should apply to you if you are a devout Christian unless you feel you are above god's commands.
She works for the government, the government is not supposed to discriminate and the law gave the people the right to their marriage certificate as they met all the requirements. But you want rights to be at the whim of a government official. I bet you are counting on Christians being the majority for the rest of your life. Being refused what you are legally have the rights to from your government is not inconvenience but discrimination. The Christian judge, the Christians in the State government and the state's lawyers all disagree with you.
The judge specifically offered her the ability to not personally issue any licenses as long as she allowed other in the office to issue them. She REFUSED that accommodation and that is why she went to jail in the first place.
That has been explained to Jeff many times. I think he beleives accomodations means she gets her way and the gays should be on their way somewhere else. In all his requests for accomodations it would result in discrimination being allowed at no cost to the person doing the discrimination and nothing in return for the person facing discrimination.
In your mind a reasonable accomodation is that not only does she get to refuse to issue the license but is allowed to refuse to allow her clerks to issue the license as well? And in exchange you will allow the gays to the right to go to another county or state or country to get their license? How in any objective view is that an accomodation? It is allowing her to have her way totally and the gays nothing in exchange.
Another poster who is unable to see any other solution than tear her down........
She wanted her name removed from the gay license. Is that too much to ask for?
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Another poster who is unable to see any other solution than tear her down........
She wanted her name removed from the gay license. Is that too much to ask for?
Yes. It is.
If she wants to be county clerk, in Kentucky, her name needs to be there.
Period.
Apparently you have as hard a time understanding this as that special snowflake, Davis, has. Get over it, separation of church/state has been ruled by SCOTUS for over 7 decades now.
If she wants to be county clerk, in Kentucky, her name needs to be there.
Period.
Apparently you have as hard a time understanding this as that special snowflake, Davis, has. Get over it, separation of church/state has been ruled by SCOTUS for over 7 decades now.
Snowflake?
Who says such rules cannot be changed?
No one.
If you were willing to find common ground, you'd find it, but you are not interested in it, you are only interested in hurting people.
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