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Can loving your neighbor produce hate ?
No. And I doubt anyone hates, Peacegiver, though his belief that he is the "Son of Man" sent by God Himself is silly. What is odd is that he actually thinks we are just supposed to talk the talk, i.e. parrot the words of Christ, as our purpose in life. So that is what he does. I find it strange that pinacled and he seem to get on so well since pinacled believes we have to walk the walk . . . not merely talk the talk. Weird premise of the thread that love would ever beget hate.
Can loving your neighbor produce hate ?
No. And I doubt anyone hates, Peacegiver, though his belief that he is the "Son of Man" sent by God Himself is silly. What is odd is that he actually thinks we are just supposed to talk the talk, i.e. parrot the words of Christ, as our purpose in life. So that is what he does. I find it strange that pinacled and he seem to get on so well since pinacled believes we have to walk the walk . . . not merely talk the talk. Weird premise of the thread that love would ever beget hate.
Maybe you have not witnessed it yet. I am not sure what experiences you have had.
Be vigilant Mystic..
Hebrews 13King James Version (KJV)
13 Let brotherly love continue.
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Can loving your neighbor produce hate ?
No. And I doubt anyone hates, Peacegiver, though his belief that he is the "Son of Man" sent by God Himself is silly. What is odd is that he actually thinks we are just supposed to talk the talk, i.e. parrot the words of Christ, as our purpose in life. So that is what he does. I find it strange that pinacled and he seem to get on so well since pinacled believes we have to walk the walk . . . not merely talk the talk. Weird premise of the thread that love would ever beget hate.
The thing is, is that those who love others in the manner you speak of do not produce hate. Jesus said if they hate you know they hate me before you. If one does as Jesus did it does produce hate because He claimed to be the son of God and those who follow Him are sent as He was sent. That is what the book of John says.
Now, as far as me being sent by God as you say, this is not as you might think. It is so in a manner of speaking but only as God thinks. I was born as any man is just as Jesus was. They persecuted Him as well. His life as man thinks was set up so we all could imitate Him. This is God's doing so that every man could atone for his own sin. God set it up so each man could be His child because we are judged by words and God's word is His son or child. Without the word of God He will not hear you. He acknowledges His son, His word. I am His word, His son,because I use it as Jesus instructed. Everyone can be His son, His word and servant. I am not special in that regard. But I believe I am the first to find it.
"The son can only do what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him."
That verse is not speaking of Jesus alone but all who follow Him. The son uses the words of the Father. God loves him/ her for it and shows them His secrets.
Jesus said that His followers would be hated by all because of His name. How do you love your neighbor as man thinks and produce hate? It can't be done. But if you continue in His word and teaching that will produce hate. I know there is at least one person here who hates me for doing as Jesus did.
Matthew 10:22 NRS
and you will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
John 15:18
"If the world hates you, know that it hates me before you."
Are you hated ?
Jesus loved His neighbor, but He also spoke the truth, and same is true about the apostles. Jesus and the apostles were murdered for what they said.
Today they would be called hateful bigots and "pure evil". Those are the names used to describe followers of Christ today.
The truth can be very offensive to those who hate the light. Why do they hate the light?
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Can loving your neighbor produce hate ?
No. And I doubt anyone hates, Peacegiver, though his belief that he is the "Son of Man" sent by God Himself is silly. What is odd is that he actually thinks we are just supposed to talk the talk, i.e. parrot the words of Christ, as our purpose in life. So that is what he does. I find it strange that pinacled and he seem to get on so well since pinacled believes we have to walk the walk . . . not merely talk the talk. Weird premise of the thread that love would ever beget hate.
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Originally Posted by Peacegiver
The thing is, is that those who love others in the manner you speak of do not produce hate. Jesus said if they hate you know they hate me before you. If one does as Jesus did it does produce hate because He claimed to be the son of God and those who follow Him are sent as He was sent. That is what the book of John says.
Now, as far as me being sent by God as you say, this is not as you might think. It is so in a manner of speaking but only as God thinks. I was born as any man is just as Jesus was. They persecuted Him as well. His life as man thinks was set up so we all could imitate Him. This is God's doing so that every man could atone for his own sin. God set it up so each man could be His child because we are judged by words and God's word is His son or child. Without the word of God He will not hear you. He acknowledges His son, His word. I am His word, His son,because I use it as Jesus instructed. Everyone can be His son, His word and servant. I am not special in that regard. But I believe I am the first to find it.
"The son can only do what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him."
That verse is not speaking of Jesus alone but all who follow Him. The son uses the words of the Father. God loves him/ her for it and shows them His secrets.
Thank you for that clarification, Peacegiver. I am much relieved that you are NOT actually deluded. Your interpretation of our roles as children of God is accurate, but it is in no way exclusive. ALL God's children are supposed to follow Christ's example, but not just with words. Talking the talk is only necessary if it produces walking the walk.
Thank you for that clarification, Peacegiver. I am much relieved that you are NOT actually deluded. Your interpretation of our roles as children of God is accurate, but it is in no way exclusive. ALL God's children are supposed to follow Christ's example, but not just with words. Talking the talk is only necessary if it produces walking the walk.
Many time Jesus used words of anger that were hurtful to the people who taught other than what He believed. He did not use nice easy loving words. Does that mean He did not walk the walk? No. Because He was sent to testify the truth.
The reason I was born and came into the world is to testify the truth!!!
Thank you for that clarification, Peacegiver. I am much relieved that you are NOT actually deluded. Your interpretation of our roles as children of God is accurate, but it is in no way exclusive. ALL God's children are supposed to follow Christ's example, but not just with words. Talking the talk is only necessary if it produces walking the walk.
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Originally Posted by Peacegiver
Many time Jesus used words of anger that were hurtful to the people who taught other than what He believed. He did not use nice easy loving words. Does that mean He did not walk the walk? No. Because He was sent to testify the truth.
The reason I was born and came into the world is to testify the truth!!!
Based on your clarification of your views, we ALL were born and came into the world to testify the truth . .. and God has sent us the Comforter in Christ's name to lead us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
Based on your clarification of your views, we ALL were born and came into the world to testify the truth . .. and God has sent us the Comforter in Christ's name to lead us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
Not all have the truth or know the Messiahs name. The Spirit of Truth reminds people what the Lord has said so they in turn can serve the Lord in spirit and in truth.
"When He comes, the spirit of truth he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own but will speak what he hears and declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me because He will take from what is mine and declare it to you."
"The Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will instruct you in everything and remind you of all that I told you."
His disciples were all hated. People accused them of many evil things because they didn't believe as the world does. It shouldn't surprise us that we get called all sorts of nasty names because we actually take a stand and declare that some things are good and some are bad.
Generally speaking, that's not what does it. The answer to the OP is yes, it can produce hate in those who don't want to see your neighbor loved. Most of the time that is the people who take a stand in declaring things that are bad.
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