A Question I Have Posed to Bible Literalists Repeatedly That They Have NEVER Been Able to Answer (believe, scriptures)
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Lol ok, you keep trying to understand cause and effect from a perspective not bound to time and space. Let us know how that works for you. In response to your other remarks, you prove your own ignorance when you assume that people of the past were less intelligent than the pseudo-intellectuals coming out of our modern institutions.
The intelligence of our primitive ancestors was NOT the problem, their lack of accurate knowledge about reality and their barbaric and superstitious beliefs about God WERE.
The intelligence of our primitive ancestors was NOT the problem, their lack of accurate knowledge about reality and their barbaric and superstitious beliefs about God WERE.
Why were they so primitive in your opinion? Because they didn't drive automobiles, use plastics and watch American Idol? Because they didn't build their economies on fiat currencies and kill the planet and themselves with unimaginable amounts of nuclear waste? Or maybe because they fought wars? Ya, we have come so far since those old days. We are truly enlightened and the pinnacle of evolution. Lol, this concept of progress is fictitious. But go ahead and sit at your desk staring at your piece of paper "PHD" and keep thinking you are more sophisticated and know more about God than everyone else that came before you.
The intelligence of our primitive ancestors was NOT the problem, their lack of accurate knowledge about reality and their barbaric and superstitious beliefs about God WERE.
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Originally Posted by john233
Why were they so primitive in your opinion?
Because they had no education about anything but the ancient scrolls with fables, superstitions and myths about God. They knew nothing about how reality actually works. They knew nothing about human psychology and weaknesses. They actually believed that everything that happened in their lives was caused by God, even their own decisions. They mistreated cripples because they did not want to be kinder to them than the God who crippled them. I could go on, but I suspect you are immune to any facts because you want to defend your precious Bible and its characters from legitimate criticism.
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Because they had no education about anything but the ancient scrolls with fables, superstitions and myths about God. They knew nothing about how reality actually works. They knew nothing about human psychology and weaknesses. They actually believed that everything that happened in their lives was caused by God, even their own decisions. They mistreated cripples because they did not want to be kinder to them than the God who crippled them. I could go on, but I suspect you are immune to any facts because you want to defend your precious Bible and it characters from legitimate criticism.
Wow, you are a master of generalization. You really must think quite highly of yourself. I guess when you pay $140,000 for a piece of paper, they have to inflate your ego and nurture your pride in order to blind you from the reality that you are no more special than before you got your certificate. Maybe a bit more knowledgeable in a specific field, but you are just spouting off ridiculous nonsense that you have no idea about. Yet you are so puffed up that you actually believe yourself. You have no idea what every person in history has thought or has done.
Wow, you are a master of generalization. You really must think quite highly of yourself. I guess when you pay $140,000 for a piece of paper, they have to inflate your ego and nurture your pride in order to blind you from the reality that you are no more special than before you got your certificate. Maybe a bit more knowledgeable in a specific field, but you are just spouting off ridiculous nonsense that you have no idea about. Yet you are so puffed up that you actually believe yourself. You have no idea what every person in history has thought or has done.
You also believe that everyone throughout history is easily defined by these statements?
"They knew nothing about how reality actually works. They knew nothing about human psychology and weaknesses. They actually believed that everything that happened in their lives was caused by God, even their own decisions. They mistreated cripples because they did not want to be kinder to them than the God who crippled them."
In plain English it does not say after the flood, that is your addition.
In context the "after this" means the 120 years after God decided to end it; the time until the flood.
Genesis 6:3 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Note in your own quotes: "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days"
It was a period of time extending from when they had the children and lasted 120 years "afterward" as a continuous event.Like kissing your girl and then kissi8ng her again and again at the same location. You did it once and .. after that one time you did it again and again UNTIL you took her home. You added to the context a different location.
Anyone can pull a verse out of context, but then they end up misunderstanding it or misrepresenting it.
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In context the "after this" means the 120 years after God decided to end it; the time until the flood.
Where did you get this piece of information? It certainly is NOT in the Bible. It is a personal interpretation grabbing onto the closest period of time in the vicinity which just happenstance is 120 years.
The way the passage read is: There were Nephilim in the earth in "those days". "Those days" can only mean BEFORE the flood. Nobody would argue this. "And also AFTER THAT" is clearly unequivocally "after the flood". Again, nobody would dispute this. I asked my wife who knows nothing about the Bible story of the flood. I asked to read the passage. She said without hesitation, "After that" is "after those days".
Poll 10 strangers and ask them what "and also after that" refers to and they will say exactly what my wife said.
You cannot escape this fact, expatCA, no matter how hard you try or how many smokescreens you throw up.
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This pattern of calling angels men is so common in the Bible that it is not necessary to pile proof upon proof. Most likely, the major objection to the “sons of God” in Genesis 6:1-4 [1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. [3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. See All... being fallen angels is the traditional picture of angels as women with wings. But in the Bible, angels never have wings and they are always men. Tradition is wrong. Angels do not marry in heaven, but this does not prove that they cannot marry when they take on the form of a male body for their appearance on earth. They are spirits (Psalm 104:4Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: See All...). What they do in heaven does not determine what they can do on earth.
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So, where does the idea come from that the “sons of God” are angels? Consider the following verses: • Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. See All...Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. • Job 2:1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. See All... Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD
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The use of sons of God to refer to saved people is a New Testament practice. Old Testament sons of God are angels. At least they are in Job. Angels are sons of God by means of immediate creation. This is a proven title for them in the Old Testament.
Because they had no education about anything but the ancient scrolls with fables, superstitions and myths about God. They knew nothing about how reality actually works. They knew nothing about human psychology and weaknesses. They actually believed that everything that happened in their lives was caused by God, even their own decisions. They mistreated cripples because they did not want to be kinder to them than the God who crippled them. I could go on, but I suspect you are immune to any facts because you want to defend your precious Bible and its characters from legitimate criticism.
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Originally Posted by john233
Wow, you are a master of generalization. You really must think quite highly of yourself. I guess when you pay $140,000 for a piece of paper, they have to inflate your ego and nurture your pride in order to blind you from the reality that you are no more special than before you got your certificate. Maybe a bit more knowledgeable in a specific field, but you are just spouting off ridiculous nonsense that you have no idea about. Yet you are so puffed up that you actually believe yourself. You have no idea what every person in history has thought or has done.
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You asked for generalizations of their "primitiveness." There are many, many more examples, from throwing live babies into fires in worship to burying live babies under posts to invoke the protection of the gods for their buildings, etc. etc. etc. You could do with a little education about the many practices and beliefs of our ignorant ancestors.
You asked for generalizations of their "primitiveness." There are many, many more examples, from throwing live babies into fires in worship to burying live babies under posts to invoke the protection of the gods for their buildings, etc. etc. etc. You could do with a little education about the many practices and beliefs of our ignorant ancestors.
I'm aware of it but we still have people do these things today and on a much greater scale for even less persuasive reasons. You say that those who engaged in child sacrifice were ignorant but I say they were deceived by Lucifer personally when he established the Babylonian religion and esoteric societies that continue to this day in all their various forms.
You also believe that everyone throughout history is easily defined by these statements?
"They knew nothing about how reality actually works. They knew nothing about human psychology and weaknesses. They actually believed that everything that happened in their lives was caused by God, even their own decisions. They mistreated cripples because they did not want to be kinder to them than the God who crippled them."
If you're asking whether the anonymous men whom Constantinople's crew decided were channeling God actually had much of a clue about anything really important, I'm leaning towards "no."
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