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I do object to being called a homophobe. The term is not being used properly and calling Christians that is just a bad as that person calling homosexuals names.
I also object to calling homosexuals, gay. IMO, that lessens the sin and make it SEEM more acceptable.
I believe gays, like fundamentalists, are much-loved children of God. I object to their being demeaned, degraded, dehumanized and being called sinners by Christians carrying bags of rocks.
If you want to object to that...knock yourself out.
If he said those things and he probably did, then he is not exhibiting the love for others God requires of His children. There are some who think that if condemns something, and He does condemn homosexuality, that we need to hate them. Christians are to judged those inside the church, not those outside he church. Those God will judge(I Cor 5:12-13). As someone once said, we are to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Hate the sin, love the sinner. Just another baseless Christian cliché.
Moreover, God does not condemn homosexuality. If anyone does condemn homosexuality, it's the human authors of the Bible. And, I don't believe they do either when we understand the context of those so-called "clobber texts".
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
I do object to being called a homophobe. The term is not being used properly and calling Christians that is just a bad as that person calling homosexuals names.
Well, what word would you prefer for someone who waves a religious book around condemning someone else simply for being who they are?
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I also object to calling homosexuals, gay. IMO, that lessens the sin and make it SEEM more acceptable.
I'm calling you out on this. Where in the 'Holy Book' do we find the text, "homosexuality is a sin" . . .? In fact, where in the 'Holy Book' do we even find the term "homosexual" . . .?
Indeed! It is the Vito Corleone Godfather kind of offer!
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So, God wants man to love him or by god they will burn in hell. Nice guy.
That would be correct - a true Godfather offer.
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Originally Posted by DewDropInn
I believe gays, like fundamentalists, are much-loved children of God. I object to their being demeaned, degraded, dehumanized and being called sinners by Christians carrying bags of rocks.
If you want to object to that...knock yourself out.
Amen, Dew! Like God we are supposed to love everyone, even those we think are our enemies.
[quote=omega2xx;45285813][quote=maat55;45268842]I mock those that believe the bible is evidence of a loving supernatural being with zero evidence.[quote]
Even if that is true, and it isn't, mocking what people believe is a sign of a lack of civility, which is a sign of immaturity, and there are many far more intelligent than you are, who are Christian fundamentalist. You condemn us for believing what we cant prove, but you believe in evolution that also has zero evidence to support their claims. I can't prove God created the heavens and the earth and you can't prove He did not. When neither side can prove heir point, then we must use logic. All the matter in the universe, and we have no idea how much there is, could not have created itself out of nothing, and it is scientifically impossible for lifeless elements to produce life.Also God tells us that life form ALWAYS produce "after their kind." This what we see every day and can repeat. It cannot be falsified. Since that is a fact, it seems logical to believe the rest of the creation account is also true.
[quote] What I can prove is that your God sanctions slavery, murder, rape and genocide.
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Actually you can't prove God sanctioned any of the things you mentioned. Have you not heard God commanded us not to murder? God made rape a capitol offense. He did send Israel to destroy civilizations that were trying to destroy Israel, but He did not have any of them completely destroyed. One of the things that bothers me the most is that God did not say "you shall not have slaves. but He did not sanction it. He knew it was going to happen so he made rules for it. IMO, it serve 2 purposes. When an Israelite could not support himself or his family, the would become, not a slave, but a servant. He could leave anytime he wanted to. When his time was up the owner had to give the servant enough goods to then provide for his family.
When Israel defeated one of their enemies, some, not all, did become slaves. Being a slave is better than being killed. Also, God knew that eventually slavery would be against the law.
Since you cannot understand the Bible, it is you who debates like a child.
So are you DEMANDING I prove what I believe, or it just me who is demanding. FYI, asking is not demanding. You see not using the same standard for both of us is childish. The demand for proof is on you as well if you say God does not exist. I am sure you have said God doe snot exists long before I joined the forum I have admitted I can't prove God exists. Will you admit you can't prove He does not?
What is clear is that logic is on my side and logic is better than reality, which we will disagree on what reality really is.
Any chance you can explain why you think that allowing "satan" to lie and deceive "satan's children" would achieve God's supposed purpose of showing us that God has given us free will?
We know that G-d gave us free will because He gave us Torah, and if He gave us Torah, then how can Satan lie to us because G-d's rules are right there in B&W...We are all born with good and bad inclinations and it up to us what we choose on a daily basis...If we were robots, then we would follow the rules automatically without Torah...
What is clear is that since you are unable to understand the Bible, your OPINIONS are not valid. Instead of bearing false witness, acussing the Bible of being CLEARLY flawed, why not go to your favorite atheist website and pose the 2 or 3 you think are flawed. You problem is that they can't understand the Bible either.
The problem is that you cannot understand the Bible either...
Genesis chapters 2 and 3 are the examples and the scriptures below show God wants man to freely choose.
Deuteronomy 30:19 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Joshua 24:15 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
1 Kings 18:21 21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
Many do not actually bother to read the Bible or try to comprehend what it says and miss this. God is clear, we get to choose.
That is called Free Will, we choose what we want to do and ................ live with the consequences.
First, let’s review what Scripture teaches about Satan
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“there is no truth in him ... he is a liar and the father of it” (John 8:44)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4)
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8)
Satan has convinced the church that many Scriptures are NOT true!
Here are Scripture rebuttals to some of Satan’s lies …
LIE: You do NOT need to overcome your sinning
• “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23)
• “For if you live according to the flesh you will die” (Romans 8:13)
• “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he will be
My son. But (… examples of sinners …) and all liars shall have their part in the lake
that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:7-8)
• “For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:8)
• “For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.”
(Romans 8:6)
• “Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown
brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)
• “reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men” (2 Peter 3:7) Is “ungodly” the right term for believers who sin regularly, or shall we call them “godly”?
LIE: You do NOT need to continue to repent of your sins
• “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward us (Christians), not willing that any (of us) should perish
but that all (of us) should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)
• “I am not sorry that I sent that severe letter to you, though I was sorry at first,
for I know it was painful to you for a little while. Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants his people to have, so you were not harmed by us in any way.
For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)
• “But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light … the blood of Jesus Christ His Son
cleanses us from all sin … IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us
of our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:6--2:1)
LIE: You do NOT need to prove your love of Jesus by obeying His commandments
• “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)
• “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.” (John 14:21)
• “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” (John 14:23)
• “He who does not love Me does not keep My words …” (John 14:24)
• “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” (Hebrews 5:9)
• “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” (Hebrews 3:18-19) Yes, “to not obey is to not believe” -- see the examples of not obeying: sinning (3:17), rebelling (3:16), hardening of the heart (3:15), not remaining faithful (3:14),
sinning (3:13), evil heart of unbelief (3:12).
LIE: You do NOT need to maintain righteousness (i.e. practice righteousness)
• “And they (Zach and Liz) were both righteous before God,
walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.” (Luke 1:6) Notice above that even people who are NOT born-again can live righteously. • “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)
• “… you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)
• “… whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)
• “… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
• “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10) Notice above that “the children of the devil” do NOT practice righteousness!
LIE: You do NOT need to worry about going through the great tribulation I have an article with 25 verses proving the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is false.
I am being too gracious, if I give Satan all the credit for the condition of the churches!
For those in charge of the churches have been extremely lax in shepherding God’s sheep.
The reasons for their many failures might be obvious to you.
Well said.
God bless
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