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Old 08-06-2017, 04:38 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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I do not disagree that true words have power. My experience was that a great deal of what was written in the bible isn't truth about God, as much as it showed the truth about what was in the hearts of humanity, the good, the bad and the ugly. I respect the bible as giving us a glimpse of what some of our ancestors thought about God. I respect it as showing that there were people in the past, just as now, who did get glimpses of God and I'm grateful that they wrote their experiences/thoughts down, while still recognizing that they understood those glimpses imperfectly through the lens of their culture and time and their own personal issues, just as people do now.

The bible is gloriously messy, just like our world now. And that's okay. But I don't believe that pretending it is something that it is not is helpful.
If the Bible is not inerrant, it is of little value unless if you know where the errors are.
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Old 08-06-2017, 04:42 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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So which translation is 100% free from error, jimmie?
All of the good translations unless you can post some of the errors in them.

You being a Mormon, I assume you use the KJ, which is not an accurate translation.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Why don't you point out some of its inerrancies?
Did you THINK about that question? "Some of its inerrancies?"
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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If the Bible is not inerrant, it is of little value unless if you know where the errors are.
And the point has always been that it is a TOOL for the Spirit to those who don't try to make it SUBSTITUTE for the Spirit.
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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And the point has always been that it is a TOOL for the Spirit to those who don't try to make it SUBSTITUTE for the Spirit.
A tool that only works some of the time is not a good tool.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: USA
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A tool that only works some of the time is not a good tool.
If the bible was the only tool God had at God's disposal, you would have a point. But, it's not, so it's like telling a carpenter that his hammer is not a good tool because it doesn't also measure or level or sand or saw. Or, that because he has more than one hammer, all of them are worthless.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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If the bible was the only tool God had at God's disposal, you would have a point. But, it's not, so it's like telling a carpenter that his hammer is not a good tool because it doesn't also measure or level or sand or saw. Or, that because he has more than one hammer, all of them are worthless.
That's not the way the Bible is portrayed. It is thought to be flawed, only containing the truth in bits and pieces. That's like a hammer with only one claw or a tape measure that only measures in feet.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: USA
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That's not the way the Bible is portrayed. It is thought to be flawed, only containing the truth in bits and pieces. That's like a hammer with only one claw or a tape measure that only measures in feet.
Our different ways of looking at this simply highlights our different ways of viewing the bible. To you, the bible is the be all and end all and it is God's only tool.

I think it was you who quoted the passage that says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness..." But then you think the bible is the only scripture. Whereas, there are many things outside of the bible that I've read and heard and seen and experienced that have taught and rebuked and corrected me. All of it is God-breathed in my opinion. The world is full of God's tools. I would even call it all "scripture" because it fits the criteria. As a matter of fact, I recall that Paul calls PEOPLE God's epistles, which makes them tools (ha! not like that ).
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Why don't you point out some of its inerrancies?
Because dozens of people have tried and you don't answer them.

You're an empty vessel.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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A tool that only works some of the time is not a good tool.
It isn't the kind of tool that has its own power, its use depends solely on the user. No problem there.
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