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Old 10-06-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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not true! baby are NOT Christians, first they have to be submerge in water, not sprinkled. then they have to be old enough to learn so that they can teach ,(Acts 2:37,38 Peter’s words pierced their hearts, and they said to him and to the other apostles, “Brothers, what should we do?”. Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit). they can't even repent for their sins, considering they haven't actually sinned yet! and they surely can't began to go out and teach. Jesus was sent here to Earth to NOT only save us, but to teach us by taking the lead, (1Pet.2:21).

he went under the water, everyone behind him should do the same. he taught the Apostles, before he sent them out to witness. and he old them to do the same ,(Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost). Paul taught the young man timothy, once he learn all he needed to, he was to then go out and start teaching the truth ,(2Tim. 2:2 You have heard me teach things that have been confirmed by many reliable witnesses. Now teach these truths to other trustworthy people who will be able to pass them on to others).
There is so many Arminianism and synergism falsehoods that you've stating here that it goes well beyond the topic of the OP. But as you've clearly shown in one perspective, Arminianism and synergism clearly attacks the heart and core of the gospel message ... by grace alone. Ephesians 2:8
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:24 PM
 
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There is so many Arminianism and synergism falsehoods that you've stating here that it goes well beyond the topic of the OP. But as you've clearly shown in one perspective, Arminianism and synergism clearly attacks the heart and core of the gospel message ... by grace alone. Ephesians 2:8
Grace is his mercy (unmerited favor) when you have fallen short.
It has nothing to do with what you, or anyone else believes.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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Grace is his mercy (unmerited favor) when you have fallen short.
It has nothing to do with what you, or anyone else believes.
blasphemy count one
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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Grace is his mercy (unmerited favor) when you have fallen short.
It has nothing to do with what you, or anyone else believes.
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blasphemy count one
You speak only to elicit arousal, and most of it is irrelevant.
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Back to the question.

At what age is a child able to understand being told that they are not a christian as compared to their sibling? Not from their parents but rather from another adult such as teacher, church member, etc.
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Old 10-07-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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Back to the question.

At what age is a child able to understand being told that they are not a christian as compared to their sibling? Not from their parents but rather from another adult such as teacher, church member, etc.
A child believes what they are taught or told, until they reach an age of maturity and are able to reason for themselves.
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Old 10-08-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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There is so many Arminianism and synergism falsehoods that you've stating here that it goes well beyond the topic of the OP. But as you've clearly shown in one perspective, Arminianism and synergism clearly attacks the heart and core of the gospel message ... by grace alone. Ephesians 2:8
scriptures don't lie, regardless of what some want to believe. a baby isn't a "Christian", because they have to be taught before they are baptized. just getting baptize in order to be called a Christian, doesn't make one a true Christian, follower of Jesus and worshiper of Jehovah God. a false teaching is making people believe a baby can be a Christian. but if you feel my beliefs are wrong, though scriptures prove one has to be taught first, it's ok, I'm not shocked.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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scriptures don't lie, regardless of what some want to believe. a baby isn't a "Christian", because they have to be taught before they are baptized. just getting baptize in order to be called a Christian, doesn't make one a true Christian, follower of Jesus and worshiper of Jehovah God. a false teaching is making people believe a baby can be a Christian. but if you feel my beliefs are wrong, though scriptures prove one has to be taught first, it's ok, I'm not shocked.
Correct, scriptures don't lie regardless of what some want to believe.

1) Scriptures teach:
  • "no one is righteous, not even one"
  • "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
  • original sin: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me"
  • Jesus confirmed original sin: "Flesh gives birth to flesh"
Scriptures teach regardless of what you want to believe that according to you infants haven't actually sinned yet!

2) Scriptures teach:
  • "Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place."
  • "from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."
regardless of what you want to believe that according to you infants are unable to be taught.


This has nothing to do about my feelings, Scripture is clear --- Arminianism, Pelagianism and synergism attach the core of the gospel message in favor of their own self-righteous Phariseeism to one degree or another.

And yes, you will be shocked that faith is the work of God by grace alone, not some cognitive age your child know they were a Christian.

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